yeah i am just using winebottler. it installed it all fine for me but yeah, like you said i am having problems with opening the wiz 8 exe file. as for setting it in virtual desktop in Winecfg i am a complete newbie and have no idea what any of that means lol. i'll go research it now and give it a shot. also i'll try wiz 8 wineskin wrapper. hopefully they work for me. i'll let you know how i go, cheers