Ok that seems to be what was causing the issue. 1.) I thought 10.x was the soon to be but it is 10.10 so my ver is the safe one to use according to you. 2.) I totally removed WINE and did the install of the 1.3.4 version (I could not find the 1.3.3 that the AppDB said to use. I was using the 1.2 stable. I did the clean install with out doing any config tweaking and all apps appear to be working just fine. Not sure if VBA will take a crap or not but...that is not as important as basic access and basic excel working. You said the 1.3.4 has a work around for 10.10.... on the 10th when the release goes out do you think it will be safe for me to upgrade? Or perhaps I should wait a while? For me to use Ubuntu I needed Office to work. I also need Photo shop to work. I want World of Warcraft to work. I got office going and I got warcraft going....so i will play with photoshop and hope for the best.