Lollypop wrote: > ok ill check those websites out, i wont do anything with cider as it is illegal you say. > > and whats this mailing list? spamming? i never intended to spam posts but i cant edit As the sticky on this forum states.. this forum is used by all the regulars as a mailing list... not really a forum as much, so you can't change email... and every post makes one. Just saying we shouldn't bother all the Wine users with something thats specifically not support here... if your going to use basic Wine, thats all they support.... but to do that on the Mac takes all command line usage, no Wineskin or WineBottler or anything that makes it simple by 3rd parties.