what the hell are you talking about? --- On Fri, 2/8/08, wine-users-request@xxxxxxxxxx <wine-users-request@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: From: wine-users-request@xxxxxxxxxx <wine-users-request@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: wine-users Digest, Vol 31, Issue 9 To: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx Date: Friday, February 8, 2008, 10:00 AM Send wine-users mailing list submissions to wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wine-users-request@xxxxxxxxxx You can reach the person managing the list at wine-users-owner@xxxxxxxxxx When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of wine-users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: One application that I would like to see work. (A. Tres Finocchiaro) 2. Re: One application that I would like to see work. (Dotan Cohen) 3. Re: One application that I would like to see work. (James Hawkins) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:32:46 -0500 From: "A. Tres Finocchiaro" <tres.finocchiaro@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: One application that I would like to see work. To: "Dotan Cohen" <dotancohen@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <e9084d080802080732x69b5824et306c14c70f7ac837@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Opera only works for certain platforms and closed source, so its inherently a disease to the idea behind Linux. In some cases, its worth paying for pre-compiled versions of proprietary software for linux. IBM does this for x86 for their lotus notes application, and also for their iSeries Client access. I'm not saying I don't support the idea, but that company's site looks like they're relatively small. To ask a community to bombard them with emails is rude and selfish. Photoshop is on a different scale, it is a standard, and part of today's every-day vocabulary. Using photoshop as an example of an application that you "don't use", but "still request linux support for" is a weak argument. There is certainly a contradiction between "runs on Linux" and "closed source" Linux and the Open Unixes are the only widespread PC operating systems to change Kernels on a monthly basis, and they're the only thing out that can be compiled to run on any platform. As long as new platforms are developed, more requests for precompiled close source applications will surface, and you will again be sending this SPAM email to a bunch of people that don't program their own joysticks. -Tres On Fri, Feb 8, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 08/02/2008, A. Tres Finocchiaro <tres.finocchiaro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > They do offer a wide range of Windows versions. Programming hardware is > > probably a rarity through wine. How often do you need to do this? > Would a > > VMWare + Windows combination suffice? > > > > The issue with companies programming for Linux is they'd most often need > to > > open up the source (alternately they could write it in java, or release > a > > binary for each platform). > > Oh, is Opera written in Java, or open source? Is Matematica? There is > no contradiction between "runs on Linux" and "closed source". > > > My suggestion for you is to reverse engineer > > their software, or find out what wine is missing. > > > I don't know one person > > that needs this software, so I can't justify sending them the request, > > sorry! :) > > I don't know one person who needs Photoshop. But I still requested > that Adobe port it. In fact, I bug them every few months on the > subject. But I will tell you the name of one person who does need the > aforementioned software: Saurian (The OP). > > Dotan Cohen > > http://what-is-what.com > http://gibberish.co.il > ?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-? > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? > -- - Tres.Finocchiaro@xxxxxxxxx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-users/attachments/20080208/72e898af/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 18:09:50 +0200 From: "Dotan Cohen" <dotancohen@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: One application that I would like to see work. To: "A. Tres Finocchiaro" <tres.finocchiaro@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <880dece00802080809h3840ceabm659fbc8c0727057e@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 08/02/2008, A. Tres Finocchiaro <tres.finocchiaro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Opera only works for certain platforms and closed source, so its inherently > a disease to the idea behind Linux. I will not get into a religious debate with you. As an end user, I use the products that fit my workflow, regardless of philosophy. And I pay what they cost. I use Linux because it is a tool that does what I need better than the alternatives. I use Opera because it is a tool that does what i need better than the alternatives. Actually, I'm using Firefox at the moment because with certain extensions, it fits my work better than Opera. > In some cases, its worth paying for pre-compiled versions of proprietary > software for linux. IBM does this for x86 for their lotus notes > application, and also for their iSeries Client access. Agreed. > I'm not saying I don't support the idea, but that company's site looks like > they're relatively small. To ask a community to bombard them with emails is > rude and selfish. I understand the point, based on the size of the company. However, I think that we should start telling these companies that we need Linux solutions, instead of crying that they ignore us. Of course they ignore Linux users. _We_ need to contact _them_. > Photoshop is on a different scale, it is a standard, and part of today's > every-day vocabulary. Using photoshop as an example of an application that > you "don't use", but "still request linux support for" is a weak argument. I find the Gimp find for the little work that I do. However, I am aware that people exist who were raised on Photoshop and need that tool. I'm even enough of a jerk to help them by contacting Adobe and backing them up. And you know what? I've already resolved myself to trying Photoshop again (last used version 5.5) when it's available on Linux. I'll buy the software if I see that it is an improvement over Gimp. > There is certainly a contradiction between "runs on Linux" and "closed > source" Linux and the Open Unixes are the only widespread PC operating > systems to change Kernels on a monthly basis, and they're the only thing out > that can be compiled to run on any platform. As long as new platforms are > developed, more requests for precompiled close source applications will > surface, and you will again be sending this SPAM email to a bunch of people > that don't program their own joysticks. Again, you are mixing philosophical interests that I am unwilling to take part in. Sorry. I do understand the need for a free, open OS as well as I understand the need to cure cancer, feed Asia, save the endangered insect of the month, and fight global warming. I will support all those causes in the little ways that I can. But I will not argue about them. Nor is this the place for it. Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il ?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-?-? A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 11:08:19 -0600 From: "James Hawkins" <truiken@xxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: One application that I would like to see work. To: "Dotan Cohen" <dotancohen@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx Message-ID: <22821af30802080908t3a6ca1c6j6480727d57ee0fbf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Feb 8, 2008 10:09 AM, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 08/02/2008, A. Tres Finocchiaro <tres.finocchiaro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Opera only works for certain platforms and closed source, so its inherently > > a disease to the idea behind Linux. > > I will not get into a religious debate with you. As an end user, I use > the products that fit my workflow, regardless of philosophy. And I pay > what they cost. I use Linux because it is a tool that does what I need > better than the alternatives. I use Opera because it is a tool that > does what i need better than the alternatives. Actually, I'm using > Firefox at the moment because with certain extensions, it fits my work > better than Opera. > > > In some cases, its worth paying for pre-compiled versions of proprietary > > software for linux. IBM does this for x86 for their lotus notes > > application, and also for their iSeries Client access. > > Agreed. > > > I'm not saying I don't support the idea, but that company's site looks like > > they're relatively small. To ask a community to bombard them with emails is > > rude and selfish. > > I understand the point, based on the size of the company. However, I > think that we should start telling these companies that we need Linux > solutions, instead of crying that they ignore us. Of course they > ignore Linux users. _We_ need to contact _them_. > > > Photoshop is on a different scale, it is a standard, and part of today's > > every-day vocabulary. Using photoshop as an example of an application that > > you "don't use", but "still request linux support for" is a weak argument. > > I find the Gimp find for the little work that I do. However, I am > aware that people exist who were raised on Photoshop and need that > tool. I'm even enough of a jerk to help them by contacting Adobe and > backing them up. And you know what? I've already resolved myself to > trying Photoshop again (last used version 5.5) when it's available on > Linux. I'll buy the software if I see that it is an improvement over > Gimp. > > > There is certainly a contradiction between "runs on Linux" and "closed > > source" Linux and the Open Unixes are the only widespread PC operating > > systems to change Kernels on a monthly basis, and they're the only thing out > > that can be compiled to run on any platform. As long as new platforms are > > developed, more requests for precompiled close source applications will > > surface, and you will again be sending this SPAM email to a bunch of people > > that don't program their own joysticks. > > Again, you are mixing philosophical interests that I am unwilling to > take part in. Sorry. I do understand the need for a free, open OS as > well as I understand the need to cure cancer, feed Asia, save the > endangered insect of the month, and fight global warming. I will > support all those causes in the little ways that I can. But I will not > argue about them. Nor is this the place for it. > Please take this argument OFF LIST. It's off-topic and no one else cares to hear it. -- James Hawkins ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ wine-users mailing list wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-users End of wine-users Digest, Vol 31, Issue 9 ***************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.winehq.org/pipermail/wine-users/attachments/20090221/075096a9/attachment.htm
