ok, ok so my wife actually got it going :D she insisted we try mdac 2.5 and for some reason DIP actually detected and installed with that version of MDAC. guess that teaches me a thing or two about being thorough... now it seems to be installed, but when trying to run the executable for the application itself we get a > cannot initialze ole we've tried registering every version of the ole dll found in c:/windows/system32/ to no avail.