No output available. Both applications run a graphical install, but the installers never come up. A GUI slot opens for the executable, followed by one for Wine, Wine starts running the install executable, then shuts down without any display after about 30 seconds, followed by the initialising Linux GUI slot about 15 seconds later. Since I have no screen output to read, I have no idea why Wine is failing to run the installations. Thats why I asked about install logs. Andrew Morris www.amsor.org