After being on this list for years, mostly as a lurker and sometime participant, I find that due specifically to the new changes in list membership via the forums that it's time for me to unsubscribe. While I think it's a very healthy in the long run to have more folks participating in Wine's growth I also find the quality of the emails coming across my desk to be significantly less technically interesting than they have historically been. The message content showing up now generally doesn't have any quoted information and is only a response to some discussion in the forum. If I haven't saved the whole thread in GMail then it becomes pointless to try and help or even figure out what the discussion is about. None of this implies that linking the forums to this list is wrong. It isn't. It's just wrong for me. And while I think it's great that there are more messages on the list some things, such as the value of the list, cannot be measured in raw numbers. I wish everyone the best of luck. I'll continue to use Wine. Maybe I'll even become a forum user in an attempt to both help out once in awhile as well as ask a question from time to time. Best wishes, Mark