I will be kinda blunt. Number 1 wine-users was always ment for all wine users. Now wine-newbies could be taken as insulting by some people. If there is truly a need to change the mail list most neutral change is not shoving the inexperienced into there own group with a bad name. But to create a wine-advanced or something like that for the more advanced users. We all ready have a developers mailing list. So there better be good grounds. I have to live with all coming in the winehq IRC channel. The newbies being the the wine-user group would have happened soon or latter. At first winehq on freenode was very newbie free until using irc became simpler. Since these days its just point and click we get mountains of them. Only reason these so called newbies have not been in the mail list is lack of skill to find it and join. Also people like me are not in the mailing list because my mail box is already too full. Note most people will not post lots of questions in channels with the word newbie in it either. So your closed shop mailing list has ended. Just grow up and live with it.
