On Saturday March 15 2008 02:45:05 James McKenzie wrote: > You must not have been around when Window95 was introduced. It was a > massive leap forward. Too bad the Mac interface did not fair as well. Yes, it was. But "was" is main word here. Difference between XP and 2000 is much less than between Windows 3 and 95. And many people think that Vista is much worse than XP, but other people think otherwise ("it's better"). In other words, this is a matter of individual opinions... And almost no one today consider Windows 95 as user-friendly (but I remember how I was using it in the past)... So opinion can change with time (especially when you can pick up better alternatives - say Windows XP instead of Windows 95). "Opinions and preferences can change with time for individual user and might be different between different users" - this is what I actually want to say here. > Linux with Gnome or KDE is much second-class, or even third-class as far > as a user friendly interface. This isn't true. I have used MS-DOS, and then Windows up to XP for years (and even never tried Linux at all). But it was so ugly and slow (after few months of active use after each reinstall) that I decided to switch to Linux (otherwise it was just difficult to use my PC). And even today, I have Windows XP in VMWare to run some Autodesk programs. And I'm very unhappy with its GUI. I do not even mention here instability of Windows, etc. (and that it is necessary to reinstall Windows from scratch sooner or later) - that's another story. In Linux I have not only great and convenient GUI and months of uptime but also it's fast even after few years of use, many upgrades, etc... And BTW, whole my family uses Linux without trouble. Even my old parents use it successfully (they know very little about computers so good GUI is essential for them). So it is incorrect to say that "on Linux UI is worse than on Windows" (or that "on Linux UI is much better than on Windows). This is a matter of individual taste. At best we can say something like "Linux has learning curve X for certain set of tasks Z for group of users Q, and Windows has learning curve Y for this (or similar) group of users". But that's all. You (or anyone else) cannot actually tell what is better for everyone. Because for everyone it is better to have a choice. * * * Conclusion (and what actually I want to say). What UI is better is always *individual* opinion (as you can see my opinion is different than yours - and this is OK, nothing wrong here). Someone like MacOS and think it is better than both Windows and Linux. Someone likes Linux more than anything else... And don't say things like "Linux UI is second-class" or that "Windows UI is second-class". This is pointless. Why? Because there is *no* widely-accepted definitions for these "classes". Main reason for this - lack of agreement what is perfect user interface. For example, all people know what is perfect circle. But no one knows what is perfect user interface. And in fact there is no such thing at all - perfect interface should be different for different users (and this is of course impossible to implement reliably in modern PC's yet for obvious reasons). So please, let's discuss something WINE related instead; discussion "Windows or Linux: what is better?" is offtopic here (but it is of course OK to say what we should improve in WINE to make it more user-friendly). Discussing individual tastes is OK but discussing whose tastes are better *isn't*.