-----Original Message----- From: wine-users-admin@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:wine-users-admin@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of wine-users-request@xxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 1:59 PM To: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: wine-users digest, Vol 1 #1921 - 10 msgs Send wine-users mailing list submissions to wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to wine-users-request@xxxxxxxxxx You can reach the person managing the list at wine-users-admin@xxxxxxxxxx When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of wine-users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Quicken fonts (Mark Knecht) 2. Re: wine config (DrSmith) 3. Re: Quicken fonts (Marc Williams) 4. Re: Quicken fonts (Mark Knecht) 5. Re: Re: wine config (Mark Knecht) 6. Re: Quicken fonts (Duane Clark) 7. Re: Quicken fonts (Marc Williams) 8. Re: Quicken fonts (Marc Williams) 9. Re: Quicken fonts (Mark Knecht) 10. Re: Quicken fonts (Duane Clark) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:08:16 -0800 From: Mark Knecht <markknecht@xxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: Mark Knecht <markknecht@xxxxxxxxx> To: Marc Williams <marcw@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts Cc: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx Yeah, sorry. That's clearly too much stuff to find what you are looking for. My idea was that possibly you don't have a specific font installed that Quicken is looking for so Wine is having to do some sort of substitution for it. If you're up for it you might try something more like: WINEDEBUG=warn+font wine quicken or WINEDEBUG=err+font wine quicken My thought was that you could click that specific button and maybe get some output in the script file that would tell you what you are missing. Maybe you should try this with some of the simple canned Wine apps - wine notepad, wine winecfg - and see if they have any trouble with fonts. It would be much easier to find this on a smaller app than quicken. I'm an uber-beginner here so please don't take anything I'm saying as particularly valid or intelligent. On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:39:06 -0600, Marc Williams <marcw@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 20:54:50 -0600, Marc Williams <marcw@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >>Very small. And for me, virtually unreadable. They certainly look much > >>better, and bigger, in real Windows. Any suggestions? > >> > >> > > > > This is all a guess. Take it for what it's worth. I was going to > > suggest that you run Quicken in the wine debugger trapping fonts > > > > script q2001-fonts > > WINEDEBUG=+font wine quicken > > > > run for awhile, then close Quicken. > > > > exit script and then take a look at the script file. Possibly you'll > > find some info about font substitutions that will guide you toward > > what fonts are missing, etc. and then you can adjust from there. > > > > All a guess though. This is the sort of stuff I've been doing. Hasn't > > produced a lot of good results, but I've seen a few interesting > > things. > > Thanks for the suggestion. > > This produces quite the prodigious output. Frankly, I wouldn't have a > clue where to start looking for an answer in the resulting 53MB file. > You mentioned substitutions so here is one output (sorry about any poor > wrapping): > <SNIP> > > I don't really know enough to know what I'm supposed to be looking for. > But I'm certainly open to any other suggestions. > --__--__-- Message: 2 From: DrSmith <pazevedo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:31:09 -0200 Subject: [Wine]Re: wine config Hello everybody, I have followed wine's progress for quite a few time but there is something that I can't figure out yet. Maybe someone may explain this to me: Wine does not use a config file anymore, does it? So if I have to tweak something, where should I put the adjustments? Is it still possible to use the config file. For instance, if I want to change the font used by a windows toolbar, should I change anything in windows registries in .wine folder? And what if I have to make lots of dll adjustments (native, builtin)? -- DrSmith --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:18:44 -0600 From: Marc Williams <marcw@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Mark Knecht <markknecht@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts Mark Knecht wrote: > Yeah, sorry. That's clearly too much stuff to find what you are > looking for. My idea was that possibly you don't have a specific font > installed that Quicken is looking for so Wine is having to do some > sort of substitution for it. If you're up for it you might try > something more like: > > WINEDEBUG=warn+font wine quicken > > or > > WINEDEBUG=err+font wine quicken Actually, I believe that appropriately grepping my saved 53MB file would accomplish the same thing, yes? If so, here is the output, which conveniently combines "warn" and "err" (again, sorry about any poor wrapping): [marcw@fred marcw]$ grep -i err q20* warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file "/usr/share/fonts/msfonts/fonts.scale" err = 2 warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file "/usr/share/fonts/msfonts/fonts.cache-1" err = 2 warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file "/usr/share/fonts/msfonts/fonts.dir" err = 2 warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file "/usr/share/fonts/msfonts-style/fonts.scale" err = 2 warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file "/usr/share/fonts/msfonts-style/fonts.cache-1" err = 2 warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file "/usr/share/fonts/msfonts-style/fonts.dir" err = 2 err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x100ac] GetDC() without ReleaseDC()! err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x10026] GetDC() without ReleaseDC()! err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x10024] GetDC() without ReleaseDC()! err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x10024] GetDC() without ReleaseDC()! I'm pretty sure that I can safely ignore the first 6 items. But the last 4 lines have me stumped. I have no idea what I'm looking at or even if they are related to my original problem. And thanks again for your responses. You may be an "uber-beginner" but I'm an uber moron, at least when it comes to Wine. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:30:22 -0800 From: Mark Knecht <markknecht@xxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: Mark Knecht <markknecht@xxxxxxxxx> To: Marc Williams <marcw@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts Cc: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:18:44 -0600, Marc Williams <marcw@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > WINEDEBUG=warn+font wine quicken > > > > or > > > > WINEDEBUG=err+font wine quicken Well, I think you're right, although that would only get one line responses. If wine outputs a two line response then you'd miss the second line. > > Actually, I believe that appropriately grepping my saved 53MB file would > accomplish the same thing, yes? If so, here is the output, which > conveniently combines "warn" and "err" (again, sorry about any poor > wrapping): > > [marcw@fred marcw]$ grep -i err q20* > warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file > "/usr/share/fonts/msfonts/fonts.scale" err = 2 > warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file > "/usr/share/fonts/msfonts/fonts.cache-1" err = 2 > warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file > "/usr/share/fonts/msfonts/fonts.dir" err = 2 > warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file > "/usr/share/fonts/msfonts-style/fonts.scale" err = 2 > warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file > "/usr/share/fonts/msfonts-style/fonts.cache-1" err = 2 > warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file > "/usr/share/fonts/msfonts-style/fonts.dir" err = 2 Humm....I would have thought the first 6 might be clues. (What do I know?!?!) It appears to me that Wine is looking for msfonts-style stuff and cannot find it. I'd guess that Wine substitues something and that maybe that substitution is what's causing the problem? This is where deleting your 53MB file and running again might produce very little info, but very targeted info. If this problem happens on one page, then possibly it happens on other, smaller pages. you could move from page to page and catch it happening and see the messages in the terminal. BTW - Have you read the Wine Users manual about setting up font servers, etc.? This could be part of the problem. I run Quicken under Crossover Office and I think they did much of this for me. I'm having some font problems with other programs under Wine and was trying to understand if this font server stuff was a requirement, a suggestion, or just info... Again, I know not of what I speak... ;-) > err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x100ac] GetDC() without ReleaseDC()! > err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x10026] GetDC() without ReleaseDC()! > err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x10024] GetDC() without ReleaseDC()! > err:dc:DCE_FreeWindowDCE [0x10024] GetDC() without ReleaseDC()! > > I'm pretty sure that I can safely ignore the first 6 items. But the > last 4 lines have me stumped. I have no idea what I'm looking at or > even if they are related to my original problem. No clue either. > > And thanks again for your responses. You may be an "uber-beginner" but > I'm an uber moron, at least when it comes to Wine. > Blind leading the blind... - Mark --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 08:33:06 -0800 From: Mark Knecht <markknecht@xxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: Mark Knecht <markknecht@xxxxxxxxx> To: DrSmith <pazevedo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Wine]Re: wine config Cc: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 14:31:09 -0200, DrSmith <pazevedo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I have followed wine's progress for quite a few time but there is something > that I can't figure out yet. Maybe someone may explain this to me: > > Wine does not use a config file anymore, does it? So if I have to tweak > something, where should I put the adjustments? Is it still possible to use > the config file. For instance, if I want to change the font used by a windows > toolbar, should I change anything in windows registries in .wine folder? > > And what if I have to make lots of dll adjustments (native, builtin)? > -- > DrSmith Well, Wine doesn't use a config file anymore by default, but still uses a config file if you put one there. This is what I'm still doing. I think in the long term, when the little winecfg app works, that we'll just use it to set up Wine, but at this time I believe you still need config to make any settings, or you'd have to do them all at the command line which is not practical at all. Just my understand. Not guaranteed at all. - Mark --__--__-- Message: 6 To: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx From: Duane Clark <dclark@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 08:46:05 -0800 Marc Williams wrote: > I just installed Quicken 2001 using the 0914 version of Wine built from > source code on my Fedora Core 2 machine. I followed the Quicken install > instruction #2 on Franks Corner site. The installation went fine and > everything seems to work well. But some of the fonts are unreadable. > > Here is a screen shot of what I am referring to (the problem fonts are > circled): > http://onlymooo.com/Screenshot.png > > I added the VGASYS.FON, SSERIFE.FON, and SERIFE.FON fonts as described > in http://winehq.org/site/docs/wine-user/config-fonts-main with no > difference. > Wine doesn't use .FON files, and I would be surprised if Quicken under Windows did either. Instead, try copying over all the .ttf files from a Windows installation to Wine. Wine does support TrueType fonts. The current version of Wine has a few built in replacements for fonts, and perhaps these are too small (it seems like there have been several complaints lately). But if external TrueType fonts are found, Wine should use those. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:57:42 -0600 From: Marc Williams <marcw@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Mark Knecht <markknecht@xxxxxxxxx> Cc: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts Mark Knecht wrote: > On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:18:44 -0600, Marc Williams <marcw@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >>Mark Knecht wrote: > > >>>WINEDEBUG=warn+font wine quicken >>> >>>or >>> >>>WINEDEBUG=err+font wine quicken > > > Well, I think you're right, although that would only get one line > responses. If wine outputs a two line response then you'd miss the > second line. > > You're right, of course. So just to check, I ran the above two WINEDEBUGs. Unfortunately, the results were identical to the grep output. So we didn't learn anything new there. >>Actually, I believe that appropriately grepping my saved 53MB file would >>accomplish the same thing, yes? If so, here is the output, which >>conveniently combines "warn" and "err" (again, sorry about any poor >>wrapping): >> >>[marcw@fred marcw]$ grep -i err q20* >>warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file >>"/usr/share/fonts/msfonts/fonts.scale" err = 2 >>warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file >>"/usr/share/fonts/msfonts/fonts.cache-1" err = 2 >>warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file >>"/usr/share/fonts/msfonts/fonts.dir" err = 2 >>warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file >>"/usr/share/fonts/msfonts-style/fonts.scale" err = 2 >>warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file >>"/usr/share/fonts/msfonts-style/fonts.cache-1" err = 2 >>warn:font:AddFontFileToList Unable to load font file >>"/usr/share/fonts/msfonts-style/fonts.dir" err = 2 > > > Humm....I would have thought the first 6 might be clues. (What do I > know?!?!) It appears to me that Wine is looking for msfonts-style > stuff and cannot find it. I'd guess that Wine substitues something and > that maybe that substitution is what's causing the problem? This is > where deleting your 53MB file and running again might produce very > little info, but very targeted info. If this problem happens on one > page, then possibly it happens on other, smaller pages. you could move > from page to page and catch it happening and see the messages in the > terminal. The reason that I said that they were likely unimportant is that I believe that they are merely idicies for the real fonts that are contained in those directories. Elsewhere in that large debug file, it appears as though the real fonts in that same dir are being loaded just fine. > > BTW - Have you read the Wine Users manual about setting up font > servers, etc.? This could be part of the problem. I run Quicken under > Crossover Office and I think they did much of this for me. I'm having > some font problems with other programs under Wine and was trying to > understand if this font server stuff was a requirement, a suggestion, > or just info... > Yes. And I currently am already doing just that. Fedora Core2 already has a font server so I had added a bunch of MS fonts long ago for an entirely different purpose, unrelated to wine. > Blind leading the blind... I know what you mean. Thanks anyway. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 12:03:56 -0600 From: Marc Williams <marcw@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Duane Clark <dclark@xxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts Duane Clark wrote: > Marc Williams wrote: > >> I just installed Quicken 2001 using the 0914 version of Wine built >> from source code on my Fedora Core 2 machine. I followed the Quicken >> install instruction #2 on Franks Corner site. The installation went >> fine and everything seems to work well. But some of the fonts are >> unreadable. >> >> Here is a screen shot of what I am referring to (the problem fonts are >> circled): >> http://onlymooo.com/Screenshot.png >> >> I added the VGASYS.FON, SSERIFE.FON, and SERIFE.FON fonts as described >> in http://winehq.org/site/docs/wine-user/config-fonts-main with no >> difference. >> > > Wine doesn't use .FON files, and I would be surprised if Quicken under > Windows did either. Instead, try copying over all the .ttf files from a > Windows installation to Wine. Wine does support TrueType fonts. > What you're saying surprises me because I got that information right out of the online wine manual in the referenced URL. But even if you're right, it doesn't seem to make a difference either way because things look the same both before and after using those .FON fonts. > The current version of Wine has a few built in replacements for fonts, > and perhaps these are too small (it seems like there have been several > complaints lately). But if external TrueType fonts are found, Wine > should use those. > It seems as if wine (and Quicken) are already using the TT fonts that are being served up by my font server. At least that's the impression I got from the debug output I ran earlier. And the screen fonts all look identical to their real Windows counterparts *except* for those that I circled. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:13:21 -0800 From: Mark Knecht <markknecht@xxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: Mark Knecht <markknecht@xxxxxxxxx> To: Marc Williams <marcw@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts Cc: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:57:42 -0600, Marc Williams <marcw@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 10:18:44 -0600, Marc Williams <marcw@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > >>Mark Knecht wrote: > > > > > >>>WINEDEBUG=warn+font wine quicken > >>> > >>>or > >>> > >>>WINEDEBUG=err+font wine quicken > > > > > > Well, I think you're right, although that would only get one line > > responses. If wine outputs a two line response then you'd miss the > > second line. > > > > > You're right, of course. So just to check, I ran the above two > WINEDEBUGs. Unfortunately, the results were identical to the grep > output. So we didn't learn anything new there. > <SNIP> > > The reason that I said that they were likely unimportant is that I > believe that they are merely idicies for the real fonts that are > contained in those directories. Elsewhere in that large debug file, it > appears as though the real fonts in that same dir are being loaded just > fine. > > > > > > BTW - Have you read the Wine Users manual about setting up font > > servers, etc.? This could be part of the problem. I run Quicken under > > Crossover Office and I think they did much of this for me. I'm having > > some font problems with other programs under Wine and was trying to > > understand if this font server stuff was a requirement, a suggestion, > > or just info... > > > > Yes. And I currently am already doing just that. Fedora Core2 already > has a font server so I had added a bunch of MS fonts long ago for an > entirely different purpose, unrelated to wine. > > > Blind leading the blind... > > I know what you mean. Thanks anyway. > OK - So I am in a 'let's see what actually works under wine-20041019' mood this week. I've currently had VERY little luck getting anything to run, but I've been trying lots of things people don't use a lot: Reaktor Session Myst Riven Roller Coaster Tycoon Quake GigaSampler GigaStudio 96 Caesar 3 Of those only Caesar 3 works correctly. I have a copy of Quicken 2001 here in my binder. I'll try installing it and seeing what happens. I normally run Q2004 Premier Edition under Crossover Office, but I used to run Q2001. If I have the problem we learn something, and if I don't have the problem we can try to figure out what's different about our systems.. Give me a few hours... - Mark --__--__-- Message: 10 To: wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx From: Duane Clark <dclark@xxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Wine]Quicken fonts Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:04:59 -0800 Marc Williams wrote: > > What you're saying surprises me because I got that information right out > of the online wine manual in the referenced URL. But even if you're > right, it doesn't seem to make a difference either way because things > look the same both before and after using those .FON fonts. > The documentation is, unfortunately, frequently out of date. The font rendering in particular has changed several times over the years, but not the documentation. >>The current version of Wine has a few built in replacements for fonts, >>and perhaps these are too small (it seems like there have been several >>complaints lately). But if external TrueType fonts are found, Wine >>should use those. >> > > > It seems as if wine (and Quicken) are already using the TT fonts that > are being served up by my font server. At least that's the impression I > got from the debug output I ran earlier. And the screen fonts all look > identical to their real Windows counterparts *except* for those that I > circled. In general, if there are any TTF fonts in your Wine c:/windows/fonts directory, then Wine will render those fonts directly (using Freetype) rather that use the X font server. That assumes you have reasonably recent FreeType rendering. This is actually the best way to go; it tends to produce better results. That said, I wonder if perhaps this is a more subtle problem. For example, here is an attachment from Quicken 2002 Deluxe. It would appear to me that "Update" is using the very same font as "Options". And even on your screen shot, the same font family appears to be used for "Options" and "Update/Send". It appears only the point size is different. I wonder whether there is a fixed amount of space on the button, and if the width of the string is to long with the normal font point sizing, than it might chose a smaller point size. I wonder if other buttons, with shorter strings, are rendered with a larger font? --__--__-- _______________________________________________ wine-users mailing list wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-users End of wine-users Digest _______________________________________________ wine-users mailing list wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-users
