> ok will all i can say is this for a newbie on linux there is no good > place to start ... to learn it . 2nd there is no good place to start > to learn it 3rd and last there is no good oplace to learn it... iam Yes, coming to linux/unix from the likes of windows is a steep learning curve. Even getting help isn't obvious - I remember trying to guess the help command, and definitely did not think of 'man'. I gave up, until a number of years later, my employer sent me on some unix courses. Try: http://www.icon.co.za/~psheer/book/ You can read it on line. I note you're using thunderbird, so assuming you're using mozilla (firefox) internet browser, the website should work. The book includes information such as - PC hardware - the unix filesystem standard - a chapter on C to cover the basics Chapter 1, section 5 "I Get Frustrated with UNIX Documentation That I Don't Understand" Good luck. regards, Ben -- 722 The system cancelled your job because an output limit was exceeded for lines being printed or cards being punched. _______________________________________________ wine-users mailing list wine-users@xxxxxxxxxx http://www.winehq.org/mailman/listinfo/wine-users