On Wed, 2013-12-18 at 12:03 +0100, Hartmut Figge wrote: > Looking at the newsgroup, using gmane, it seems quite dead. Have all > moved to the forum? If so, why? > The mailing list used to be connected to the forum so that forum traffic was sent to the mailing list and vice versa. While the mailing list was a spam-free as mailing lists usually are, the forum was extremely lax. For some reason I don't understand, but probably commercial since Crossover ran/runs the forum, they were unwilling to to do anything more than use human volunteer moderators to block forum spam and were totally unwilling and/or unable to fit a spam filter between the forum and the mailing list. Since all the spam complaints seemed to come from mailing list subscribers, Crossover eventually 'solved' the spam problem by removing the crosslink between the forum and the mailing list. FWIW, at least 90% of the spam I received came via the Wine forum, so it was a significant problem. Since the split I've gotten rather disillusioned with Wine and use it as little as possible. The reason? So-called regressions. If the Wine project ran adequate regression tests I'd use it rather more, but they apparently don't, since I've never heard a regression test suit mentioned. In summary, Wine is the least stable piece of published software I've ever used. IMHO this shows a rather unprofessional attitude. What they should do to fix things is: - provide a fully automated regression suite - make the regression test suite available to developers and mandate its use - require submission of new features, i.e. support for new M$ APIs, to include comprehensive tests for inclusion in the regression test suite. - refuse to accept new code or patches that break existing code. - never release a Wine version that doesn't pass regression testing Martin
