Hi Dimesio thanks again for you help I followed the instructions from the link but the closest version I could get from the Ubuntu option was 1.3 beta anyway I went with that and added the ppa to my software sources, then when I clicked on the link to install i get a page that says "the address type is unknown or unsupported" apt://wine1.3 so again I'm not sure what to do from there, I'm still trying to run the app from the terminal without success, the path is .wine/dosdevices/c/Program Files/RootsMagic 4/RootsMagic.exe, here's the output graeme@graeme-PC ~ $ cd .wine graeme@graeme-PC ~/.wine $ .wine/dosdevices/c/Program Files/RootsMagic 4/RootsMagic.exe bash: .wine/dosdevices/c/Program: No such file or directory graeme@graeme-PC ~/.wine $. Obviously I'm doing something wrong but it's getting late so I'll try again tomorrow, hopefully I can still rely on your help, thanks for your help and patience so far. Many Thanks Graeme