I don't think anyone has implied that it's imminent VDR adopt h264/HDTV support or tv viewing will cease to exist. That would be a ridiculous claim to make! However, the truth is more and more HDTV broadcasts are being offered by providers on a consistent and constant basis due to market demand. H264 is becoming more widely used to help accommodate. SDTV will not vanish overnight but there is certainly a shift that can't be ignored. Klaus asks the question that even if he was able to view HDTV, he would have to pay more so whats the point? Well, the point is that it's clearly something people want and are willing to pay more to get considering the investment providers, and others, are making to offer more appealing services & products to the customer base. Look at all the HDTV televisions available at inexpensive prices now, and it doesn't stop there... As media pc's become more 'the norm' and the center of home entertainment systems, it's no coincidence that video card vendors are offering up devices capable of this stuff as well. To have a blind eye to all this would be crazy to say the least. Also, I talk with many dvb users on pretty much a daily basis and I've never once heard someone say they've left VDR for that other software because of eye-candy/UI. Most people seem to be concerned with capability & functionality, not pretty graphics. My personal opinion is that, because I'm biased in favor of VDR, it's disappointing to see so many users abandon it simply because of the lack of support for things that are becoming more common & in-demand every day. I would love that VDR is able to be on the curve, or actually ahead of it, rather then trailing far behind. That being said, I fully respect & appreciate the work Klaus and others have done with VDR over the years, and by no means am I trying to sound negative towards it. Lastly with regard to Petri's comment that, "But VDR does support h.264 broadcasts already, although with patching, but still. So there is no need for anyone to stop using VDR because of a lack of h.264 support." I don't think anyone would argue that stock support for things such as h264 is far more desirable over the requirement of patches and modifying an app. Generally speaking, the less a user has to alter the source code, the better. In a related note, one of the most common questions I see being asked is how to patch this or that. The number of linux dvb users is growing in large part due to the lack of good solid dvb software for Windows. A lot of these guys aren't coders, aren't used to compiling things, and aren't even used to using a console for that matter. At any rate, the growing demand for things such as h264 and HDTV is clear, as is the fact that Klaus has no intention of supporting these things any time soon. Like mentioned many times before, we all have to figure out what we need and decide what software to use based on that. The more the interest shifts, the more people will leave VDR in its current state behind for something more suitable. Klaus very honestly said he's perfectly ok with that and sees no incentive to support this stuff so the story pretty much ends there. Well, one can always dream I guess! ;) _______________________________________________ vdr mailing list vdr@xxxxxxxxxxx http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
