Re: [PATCH] login-utils: import environment from user manager on systemd systems

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Hi,

>    The other issue you don't really touch on, is why should this be hard-
> coded in various programs when this is seems exactly like why PAM was
> invented.
Oh this was touched on, thoroughly, in the URL cited in the patch.

>    One of the issues with systemd is that it is doesn't re-use
> existing interfaces, but tends to force programs to make changes to work
> with sysd
There is no existing interface that meets the needs here. The closest you
can get is a pam session stack module, but as stated before, that idea has
been rejected (and I've already covered why on this thread and on the
systemd pull request).

>    Minimizing code changes in existing, working code seems like a
> safer design decision.
Safer than needlessly running code as root that doesn't need to be? We're
just going to have to agree to disagree I guess.

> It is especially true that the more code paths
> that are added to programs, the more test paths and opportunities for
> failure are added.
This I totally agree with!

--Ray
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