Re: Need feedback on feature idea: Keyboard layouts set up on first start

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On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 16:19:48 +0000
"blu.256 via tde-users" <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hello everyone!
> 
> I have been working on some fixes improvements to KXkb, the TDE
> keyboard tool and layout switcher¹. The fixes should make configuring
> keyboard layouts easier and should solve some long-standing issues
> with keyboard switching (e.g. Bugzilla issue #100).
> 
> One of the improvements that I have been thinking to include but for
> which I need user feedback concerns TDEPersonalizer, the wizard that
> gets shown on the first run of the desktop, or later, at users'
> choice. The first step of this wizard lets you choose your country and
> system language. The idea is that based on this information, the
> keyboard layouts will be conveniently set up for you with a sane
> default, with minimal need for user feedback (who can later adjust
> this default manually).
> 
> But the problem is that I am not sure what that default should be. If
> you consider, for example, cyrillic languages or greek, a good
> default, in my opinion, would be a combination of the standard latin
> layout (English) plus the layout of that language (so you have two
> layouts that you can switch between). If you take languages based on
> the latin alphabet though (e.g. Italian, French, Czech etc.) users
> might not
> 
> actually need a latin layout, so they will be fine with just the
> layout of the keyboard layout of their own language.
> A good solution IMO would be adding a checkbox just below country and
> language selection that would let you enable/disable the English
> layout. This checkbox would not be shown if the language you selected
> is already English (US, UK or any variant).
> 
> So, I am asking for your feedback, especially those of you who use
> non-English keyboard layouts: What do you think of this idea? Do you
> think the checkbox approach is good enough? What should be the default
> state of the checkbox, enable or disable English layout?
> 
> Please take in mind beginner Trinity users too.
> 
> Your feedback will be greatly appreciated!
> 
> --
> Philippe MAVRIDIS
> 
> ¹ The relevant pull request is here:
> https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdebase/pulls/304
> 
> You can take a look at the discussion that has already happened
> thereif you want.
> 
> P.S. I've been having problems with GMail and the mailing list. This
> must be the fourth time I'm trying to send this e-mail. I'm resending
> this from the e-mail address that I have on ProtonMail.

I'm a TDE user who uses cyrillic layout. Personally, I think solution
that you suggested is excellent way to help beginner users to quickly
configure their desktop in a way they wish without need to study
rather confusing Control Center at first steps of TDE configuration.
In my opinion, checkbock should be presented in auto-checked state by
default if user chose non-English system language. It would be nice if
keyboard layout section in TDEPersonalizer allowed to change
auto-suggested layout to something else (maybe through use of drop-down
list with every single available layout).
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