On Tuesday 27 of October 2020 16:21:59 Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote: > On Saturday 24 of October 2020 21:13:41 Michael via tde-users wrote: > > S'Okay, we all know spam exists, and any list is going to get some... > > > > I'm also pretty sure the mods of our list delete the spammer's account > > immediately. > > > > So? Please? Can we agree to just delete what does get through? > > > > Best All, > > Michael > > ____________________________________________________ > > Hi all, > > I analyzed the incoming spam from the first one that appeared. All these > cases had one thing in common: they were not sent by e-mail, but via the > Hyperkitty web interface. > > This means that the spammer made an effort for him to join the > conference, confirm the verification email for the subscription, log in > to the web interface and take advantage of the fact that with Hyperkitty > it is possible to use the mailing list in a way like a web forum. > > For this reason, the post was first processed by Mailman, who creates > emails for individual participants. Only then, these emails were > processed by the mail server, which has an integrated spam filter. > Therefore, these emails had the advantage of spam ratings, as they were > created locally. > > The question is how to deal with it? Each of these emails was sent from > a different address - different participants => it will not be effective > to block a specific participants here. And since spams sent in this way > are currently very rare cases, it seems too restrictive to prevent the > use of Hyperkitty for posting to mailing lists. > > I suggest waiting to see if sending spam in this way will continue to be > negligible or increase. And decide according to how it will continue. I > believe that the necessary input effort is so large that it is unlikely > to bring the expected result for spammers. That's why I hope that spam > doesn't have to increase. > > What is your opinion? > > Cheers Hi all, I will respond to this email from the beginning of the thread, because the thread has run into several branches and I do not want to waste my or your time replying to individual branches. I'm sorry it's a long mail again... 1) It is obvious that the volume of spam here is negligible, so at present it is not effective to take some complicated measures to prevent it. This would be enough if I want to close the original topic of this thread... 2) ...but "something crazy" was born in the original thread. I dare say that perhaps no previous "chit-chat" has grown to such a huge dimension as this thread. As has been said, I would like the mailing list to be in a good friendly mood. If I remember correctly, there was no thread that was chit-chat from the beginning. Usually the personal level came there in connection with the problem solved, which was related to TDE. And personally, it didn't usually seem to me that this communication had grown into an unacceptable level. Definitely not like this thread. I think we should accept that we are different personalities - some like to talk more, others less. Some write only technical information about the problem to be solved, some write more extensively - they add related background information, which may contain a personal story. Of course, it is appropriate for participants to keep in mind that subsequent communication unrelated to the problem or to the TDE does not grow to an unacceptable level. But it didn't seem to me that the problem here was so big that we had to look for technical solutions to limit communication strictly to technical. 3) Until now, I considered the judgment of the individual participants to be sufficient. Or to call for an end to the thread that has surpassed the acceptable level. I can't imagine how technical measures could work. For example, here it doesn't seem to be effective to set a ban for everyone who joins some chit-chat => should we ban everyone who joins this thread? Probably not ;) There was a call to change the mailing list to a fully moderated to approve each post. But how could it work? Who will act as moderator? Me, Michele, anyone else? Remember that we dedicate our private time to TDE. We're often busy with other tasks, and when we make time for TDE, we have a lot of tasks we need to do - working on the source code, migrating and improving services to keep the project going well... and it doesn't seem practical, to waste time approving every single post to the ML. 4) Here was a proposal to create a separate ML or a web forum. Of course, creating another ML is possible, but I can't imagine how it could work in real life. Would a discussion that starts on 'users' move to 'cafe' ML at some point? I doubt it could work well. I think one of the ML would die sooner or later and it will be like now. Regarding web forums, I have it the same as Gene mentioned - I consider it a waste of time to actively go to web forums and actively search for new discussions and new posts to which I can respond. I understand that it is now considered "modern", but for me it seems completely ineffective. Note: In KMail, there is an option for the thread to choose Watch / Ignore. Although I've been using KMail every day for many years, I've never tried it. Has anyone tried how it works? Cheers -- Slávek
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