On 2020-09-14 20:36:39 William Morder via trinity-users via tde-users wrote: > Re: [users] installing icecat from source packages > From: "William Morder via trinity-users via tde-users" > <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: TDE Users <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > CC: "William Morder via trinity-users" > <ml-migration-agent@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > On Monday 14 September 2020 18:22:35 E. Liddell wrote: > > On Mon, 14 Sep 2020 08:01:40 -0700 > > > > William Morder via tde-users <ml-migration-agent@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On a side note, I wonder if we could get a proper, working, up-to-date > > > version of icecat into the repositories somewhere (as it has > > > disappeared from Trisquel and others). > > > > Why? It's just a rebrand of Firefox with a few trivial patches, as far > > as I know. If you find Firefox itself unsatisfactory, try one of the > > other forks/cousins from the Mozilla family (Pale Moon, Waterfox, or > > Seamonkey). > > Not so! True, it does look pretty much the same, and to the untrained eye, > they are about equal. After having used a lot of Mozilla browsers, I can > tell you for sure that Icecat offers some major differences. > > For one thing, if you use Tork to manage the Tor network, you can watch the > system requests that go out of your browser. If you have a graphical > firewall that shows live connections in real time, you can watch what > requests are sent out over direct connections. Lots of these requests go > out in Firefox and other browsers, no matter how we might try to stop them. > Whenever I would simply click on an open tab for a web page (weather, TV > channels, > ycombinator, whatever), immediately system calls went out, not only to the > web page itself, but to other third-parties, despite the fact that I have > systematically disabled everything of that sort, blocked sites, use a > modified hosts file, etc. > > Only Icecat blocks tracking of this sort. You don't have to believe me, of > course; just check it out for yourself. On the other hand, even Icecat > could be improved in small ways; but I would say that it comes closest to > actual respect for users, and enabling a user to make the browser behave as > desired. > > Otherwise, you ought to just collect all your personal information, make it > neat and orderly, put copies in envelopes, and mail them to Amazon, Google, > Facebook, and all the rest; because you are just giving it all away, every > time you open a browser, every single page you load, every tab you click, > every scroll through the page, every little detail that gives away who you > are. > > > >I suppose a browser is not really a candidate for > > > becoming a TDE-Trinity package? but it is a thought, since we already > > > have Konqueror, which is a web browser as well as a file manager. > > > > There's a couple of obvious problems: > > > > 1. Firefox and all its forks are GTK-based. TDE is (T)QT-based. > > > > 2. Adopting another Really Huge codebase is the last thing this project > > needs right now. If the manpower to work on a browser were available, it > > would be better to put it to use replacing Konqueror's layout and > > scripting engines with something more modern. > > Yeah, I sort of expected this answer. I didn't know the technical details, > but I knew that people who work on mozilla-type browsers usually work on > the same kinds of things; probably for good reason. > > Still, it would be nice to see Icecat in the respositories. > > > E. Liddell > > I will count you as in the *not interested* category. > > ;-) > Bill Well, /I'm/ interested; I've been trying to get the Brave browser (supposedly good at blocking tracking, etc.) to work on my OpenSuSE (RPM-based) system without success; so I'll be giving IceCat a try. Thanks, Bill. Leslie _______________________________________________ tde-users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
