Re: Re: apologies for the mess!

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On Monday 07 September 2020 17:05:37 Slávek Banko via tde-users wrote:
> On Tuesday 08 of September 2020 00:45:27 Steven D'Aprano via tde-users
>
> wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 06, 2020 at 02:46:58PM -0700, William Morder via tde-users
>
> wrote:
> > > So the short version is: only hit reply if you intend to keep the
> > > topic within the thread.
> > >
> > > If we go off-topic, then we ought to create a brand-new email, not
> > > just hit replay; otherwise, we drag email addresses and related
> > > threads upon threads in, and we end up with 293 comments (I hear, but
> > > haven't seen them myself).
> >
> > How is that possible? If you change the subject line of an email, how
> > does that cause rejected emails to suddenly be re-sent (as you say
> > happened to you).
> >
> > Where are these 293 comments being dragged in from?
> >
> > It is not practical to demand that subject lines never be changed.
> > Different mailers have different conventions for whether they use "Re"
> > or something else when replying, and sometimes due to topic drift the
> > right thing to do is to change the subject line. For example, adding
> > "SOLVED" to a problem once it is solved.
> >
> > We should start a new thread for entirely unrelated and new topics, but
> > we should rename a sub-thread once it has drifted away from the original
> > topic. For example:
> >
> >     TDE is awesome
> >     +-- Re: TDE is awesome
> >     +-- Re: TDE is awesome
> >
> >     |   +-- Re: TDE is awesome
> >     |
> >     |   |   +-- Now with even more awesomeness [was TDE is awesome]
> >     |   |       +-- Re: Now with even more awesomeness
> >     |
> >     |   +-- Re: TDE is awesome
> >
> >     +-- Re: TDE is awesome
>
> Hi,
>
> I need to clarify the information a bit.
>
> The 293 comments are not something Bill has caused in bulk recently, but
> the total number of comments in a single thread that began in February
> 2018 and was confused by the fact that several other threads were started
> inside that thread that were completely unrelated to the original. This is
> because instead of sending a completely new message, the "initial" message
> of the new thread was created in response to an old message from an
> unrelated thread.
>
> You can see the mentioned thread here:
>
> https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskt
>op.org/thread/TSER4NCDKV6WC6ITTFOLKOZWWAVC3VFZ/
>
> Note that inside the thread "I just resubscribed,..." you can find other
> threads like:
>
> + tips on getting TDE to run smoothly
> + how to enable mouse keys by default or command-line?
> + quick & dirty - installation & backup
> + my vanishing root partition
> + my rebellious lower panel
> + can burn DVDs but not CDs
> + a perfectly good system shot to hell
> + network problems in Devuan Jessie-Beowulf merged
> + LTS has less security
> + system colors & permission problems
> + Brother printer - comments?
> + aptoncd rejects tde-trinity pkgs
> + pulseaudio conflicts with my TDE
> + antiX - debian-based distro - no systemd
> + how to restore/reconfigure lost wireless connection?
> + how to re-index Kmail
> + wireless interface not recognized on boot
> + chat clients - cannot connect
> + Devuan netinstall with TDE as option?
>
> + ...and some more until recently ...
>
> + ksystraycmd & panel hiding
> + network-manager-tde - dependency issues
> + how to get tdenetworkmanager - with no wicd ?
>
>
> I assume that from this example it is clear what is the subject of the said
> mess. Of course, adding a "SOLVED" or extending a subject is not a problem
> as long as it's still the same related thread.
>
> This problem was not visible on the old mailing list archive, because the
> threads were not followed thoroughly and, above all, they were not
> followed beyond the edges of the months.
>
> The new archive can track threads in detail. Therefore, a thread emerged
> here, which began in 2018 and was confused in this way.
>
> Therefore, it is a good idea to follow a simple rule that a new thread must
> start as a new message, not in response to some unrelated message in which
> the subject and content will be replaced.
>
> Cheers

Sorry to "out" you, Slavek! I was only trying to play nice. 

Best thing is if we can start out the new mailing list on the right foot.

Bill


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