On Sunday 06 of September 2020 23:21:52 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> Anno domini 2020 Sun, 6 Sep 23:09:25 +0200
>
> Dr. Nikolaus Klepp scripsit:
> > Anno domini 2020 Sun, 6 Sep 15:41:02 -0500
> >
> > Michael via tde-users scripsit:
> > > On Sunday 06 September 2020 03:15:45 pm Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
> > > > Anno domini 2020 Sun, 6 Sep 08:01:28 -0700
> > > >
> > > > William Morder via trinity-users via tde-users scripsit:
> > > > > [cout out a lot of lines]
> > > > >
> > > > > > > You'll notice that, with Nik's headers, something is amiss.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Take the mail that comes from "trinity-users@..." and
> > > > > > unsubscribe. Same thing happend to me some days ago :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nik
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bill
> > > > >
> > > > > What I meant was, *your* headers are reversed.
> > > > >
> > > > > TDE-users has trinity-users as "reply to" address;
> > > > > trinity-users has TDE-users and Nik (if I recall) as "reply to"
> > > > > addresses.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is not a problem with the list, but I think Nik is sending
> > > > > out too much information on the old list. In the new list, his
> > > > > "reply to" gives the old list. I'm not complaining about the
> > > > > list; I am pointing out those details that Nik might not want.
> > > > >
> > > > > Myself, I keep trying to make an email template, just for use on
> > > > > TDE-users, and I give sample screenshots here. But when I've
> > > > > attempted to send recent emails to the list, they stay in my
> > > > > outbox, and I am told that they cannot be sent due to unknown
> > > > > mail transport or something. I believe that means my Zoho mail
> > > > > account is being rejected for smtp, or is rejecting my emails to
> > > > > TDE-users, or something.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is why I do not like change; even though I do know that it
> > > > > will happen despite all my best efforts to maintain order.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > >
> > > > Hm ... mail harvesters scan the whole header, so there's no point
> > > > in hiding the obviouse, I think :)
> > > >
> > > > Nik
> > >
> > > Hi Nik,
> > >
> > > What are you doing different than everyone else?
> > >
> > > I keep getting your mails with,
> > >
> > > From: "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" <office@{delete}.{delete}>
> > >
> > > and not like:
> > >
> > > From: "Michael via tde-users" <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > From: "Slávek Banko via tde-users" <users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > > You're messing up my KMail filters, so fix it! Or I'll sick Kate on
> > > you, I'm soon to be her pet I hear ;) {Pet status has some
> > > privileges, right?}
> >
> > That's funny. I just hit "l" in kmail, type my stuff and send it. If
> > my email got deleted on my side of the transfer, then I'd get a bounce
> > from my provider. So some gremlin is eating my domain name - just whoe
> > does dislike me that much?
>
> Playing echo box: I get the mails from users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx with my
> complete email inside the mail header, so "from" is "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp"
> <office@xxxxxxxxx>. This raises an even more interesting question: why
> is my email address changed on the path from ML to your mail client? Is
> it only my email? Who else has that problem?
>
> Nik
>
The mailing list (mailman3) is set so that the sender's information is
changed only if keeping it unchanged could be the cause of a delivery
problem - for example due to SPF, DKIM signature, etc.
Therefore, you can see that some sender addresses remain unchanged and for
some "via tde-users" is added and the mailing list address is used as the
sender's address.
For filtering, it is best to use the "List-Id" header, which is always set
the same - regardless of whether DMARC mitigation is used or not.
> > I've heared rumours about Kate building voodoo dolls. Aren't pets part
> > of these dolls? Or was that chickens? ... I remember, chicken blood
> > was art of the game. And when it's set ... can be used in deliciouse
> > dishes of the "Hirn auf Ei" (brain on egg) kind ... now I'm hungry ...
> >
> > Nik
> >
> > > Best,
> > > Michael
> > >
Cheers
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Slávek
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