SPOILERS: It was a gremlin! ok ok, no. Anyway, thank you Michael for the clue that lead me to the realization. Long story short, the touchscreen IS a usb device. I have solaar running to control multiple input devices. So it was a "switch" and perm problem. In order for solaar to work you have plug out all usb pointer devices, then back in again. I can't do that with the TS. BUTT when I go into hybernation, the perms are "remembered" and this time the screen is activated. There's the fiddly switch problem. I was able to confirm it with repeated full reboots and hybernation boot. My next text will be to disable solaar and see if it works. Michael I have added you to the list of life forms I will keep as pets when the universe is mine. And thanks, of course,to Ali Izzard for creating a great TDE distro that allows this poor ideapad to be fully function. Considering it was never fully functional under the "native" OS Itblow 10. "Wiener Dog" is now my daily driver for me onsite pack. All 22ks of it (about 50 lbs). Will 45lbs now that I'm not carrying the 8 lbs laptop. And thanks to all for your input. This is a great community. Kate --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: trinity-users-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For additional commands, e-mail: trinity-users-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Read list messages on the web archive: http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting