On 06/10/2018 01:39 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi Jimmy,
Am Sonntag, 10. Juni 2018 schrieb Jimmy Johnson:
On 06/09/2018 01:51 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Samstag, 9. Juni 2018 schrieb David C. Rankin:
On 06/09/2018 10:19 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Interesting. "udisks/udisks2" is not installed, but "pmount". Mounting removable devices without "pmount" fails. I also have no networkmanager running (just plain dhcp on eth0). Sounds good to me :-)
On FreeBSD it looks like the TDEs hal-component does not work propperly when hal is compiled without consolekit/policykit: it just shows the interlan hd, but no removeable media - devd based automount still works propperly.
Consolekit was also needed for tdm to implement mulit-seat. I do not know the
current state of systemd inheriting the multi-seat functionality from
consolekit, but when I was building TDE for Arch, when arch dropped consolekit
and went to pure systemd, it broke tdm and there was a big push to implement
multi-seat without consolekit that was never quite brought to fruition.
Slavek probably recalls that mess. A good introduction of the
consolekit/polkit/udisk relationship is:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Multiseat
That's an interesting article. So aparently consolekit/polkit/udisk and desendents are still around to solve a the multiseat "problem" which died when? 1995? Am I missing some bigger picture here?
Somehow the documentation of consolekit makes me smile in that context: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/ConsoleKit/doc/ConsoleKit.html "Defining the Problem ... To be written."
Polkit documentation is no better, 2. paragraph under "Usage in unprivileged programs"
https://www.freedesktop.org/software/polkit/docs/latest/polkit-apps.html - translates to "avoid polkit" to me.
Ok, as I mentioned before, on devuan nothing changes after I got rid of consolekit/polkit/elogind.
On FreeBSD things are a bit different: I compiled sysutils/hal without consolekit2 and without polkit. I removed consolekit2 and polkit. After restarting hald, "konqueror media:/" works almost as expected: I get one error message "device busy", reloading shows the content of the media. Unmounting gives an error message, but the device is unmounted correctly (which does not happen with consolekit+polkit). But there is no atempt made to mount the device twice (which was what I wrote about some days ago) which is a big plus for me.
Hi Nik, I was able to remove consolekit and it was replaced by devuan
packages but removing polkit also removes synaptic and I don't want to
remove synaptic. Isn't polkit and elogind now harmless devuan packages?
Thanks,
GNOME-stuff forces you to use those ingeniouse freedesktop.org inventions, so with synaptic you are out of luck. BTW, have you tried kpackage-trinity?
I don't know if the devuan versions of polkit and elogind are harmful. They just got in my way. On FreeBSD they were in my way from day one :-(
Hi Nik, yes, I used kpackage a lot before synaptic and for a short while
recently while replacing KDE with Trinity and now wonder about a lot of
things we where using then and can those things help us get back on track.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedesktop.org
Cheers,
--
Jimmy Johnson
Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5
Registered Linux User #380263
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