On 04/21/2018 07:51 PM, William Morder wrote:
Since we are getting into other stuff, I am starting a new thread. Maybe
it should be two threads?
And what a post it is.
On 04/21/2018 04:13 PM, William Morder wrote:
> I stand at the brink of Devuan, not quite ready to take the plunge
myself, > yet
> share in your dislike of systemd and how Debian is inching into a
rule of the
> few over the many. And I fear that it will soon drift into the same
kind > > of
> crap that ruined Kubuntu (and the whole Ubuntu family) for me. There
are > > just
> one or two refinements I want to make in my current system (so that
I can
> find my way back when I get into a mess).
I'm sorry to hear you have systemd installed and you're not happy with
it, if I knew what version you are using I could make a suggestion, I
run all LTS versions or Debian and Ubuntu and now Devuan too. For
hard drive management I use Wheezy and Jessie, for multimedia I use
the latest.
For the most part my system runs pretty well, except for hanging when I
try to reboot (as explained below).
What I would really like is to get VLC working right again. It was
always the best all-round multimedia player, and now it crashes every
time I open it. I searched round for solutions, and all I've found so
far are suggestions to go back to the Wheezy repositories for older
versions of VLC. Yet another user here in the Trinity group had the same
problems with VLC, and he was already using Wheezy. I don't know what
the problem is, but there is another great piece of software ruined.
Bill have you taken a look at SMPlayer? First you install MPlayer,
talking about an old app, and then install SMPlayer.
Currently I'm looking at keeping some older systems around by rolling
my own kernels. There's always options. And slicing off another
partition for a new install is another option.
I run Debian Jessie, and systemd seems to cause the system to hang in
particular when I reboot. I always see that systemd is doing something,
and cannot shut down. I created a kind of script to kill running
programs, and this has pretty much solved the problem, but I still feel
that my current Debian system does not run quite as smoothly as my older
systems used to run.
All in good time, though. I rarely have incidents any more which cause
me to scream, pull out my hair, and call down curses upon the heads of
the devs.
Devuan is old school Linux, like Debian a few years ago and most release
bugs get fixed in mins. not days or weeks.
As for Ubuntu, they have messed up big-time and now they are on my
list of things I don't want to do anymore and now Microsoft won't be
lonely any more. :)
It's never lonely at the bottom.
> The icon is nice, but I would recommend that all Devuan branding >
distinguish > itself from Debian by making the spiral go round
widdershins: that is,
> counter-clockwise. Then it would be perfect.
I hear you, it was just something I slapped together.
No problem, it was just a suggestion. If Debian do not complain, then
there is no obligation to change it. But since Devuan is a fork of
Debian, and thus technically "different" from it, I thought it might be
wise to think ahead.
>
One could also say, for example, that TDE *is* really just KDE, but I
believe some people out there will object. Likewise, you could say that
Icecat *is* really just Iceweasel, which is really just Firefox. You
could even say that *rock-n-roll* is really just *the blues* + *country
music*.
I do recognize that all categories are, to some degree, arbitrary and
influenced by personal biases, etc. They can also be useful, however, to
indicate that (for example) Devuan has struck out in a slightly
different direction, which in my opinion is truer to Debian's mission
than Debian itself currently operates.
Well, KDE is a name, not just a trade mark and it's not KDE's desktop
any longer, nor is it abandoned any longer, TDE belongs to Trinity.
As for the Debian Universal Logo, it's been used many a desktop on many
kinds of Debian forked systems, because if it was not for Debian what we
are doing today would other ways not be posable. But Devuan is not just
a fork it's now the real Debian with a new name. Debian is now a blob,
sudo windows some say and systemd is compared to the windows registry.
But the logo will always be Debian and may Ian always be remembered.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Murdock
You do know that Devuan IS Debian don't you? The only changes made
effect systemd and the packages needed so you can install the desktop
of choice, like udev and libpam, really just a hand full of packages
are changed. I'm running Devuan from Debian's Sid to Jessie, in other
words Devuan Jessie/Jessie, ASCII/Stretch, Beowulf/Buster and >> Ceres/Sid and Trinity is a clean install on them all with no real
problem, All around Devuan Jessie is the best!
Yes, but the only practical way for me to get Devuan is to install
Debian first, then migrate to Devuan. I have tried to install from the
Devuan live DVD, and it wants to overwrite my home folder, with no other
option.
Please use the net install iso.
https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie/installer-iso/
Put Puppy Linux on a USB drive and you can edit your system. Puppy is
made for those things, like Knoppix only Puppy is small and fast.
http://www.knopper.net/index-en.html
http://puppylinux.org/main/Download%20Latest%20Release.htm#xenialpup
Just use the Devuan net-install and then install tde-trinity and
firmware-linux, after your first boot of course. I put everything I
want to save in /home, I also save /mnt and and put fstab in home too.
and delete everything else, don't forget to show hidden, also I delete
system files in home and then do a no-format install.
I have a backup, of course, but this does not seem quite right.
I have found instructions for migrating from Debian to Devuan, without
the necessity of reinstalling my system, so that is my plan. However, I
have yet a couple loose ends to tie up, so that I can revert to my
working system if necessary, when I will inevitably mess up something
due to experimentation.
Both udev and systemd get removed by installing Devuan packages and it's
a bit tricky, but doable, I've done it a few times, Jessie is not too
hard to do because it dose not have many packages that depend on systemd.
Also, I have other responsibilities, various little jobs, and other
things that I must do, as there is a life outside computers, and a whole
world waiting to be explored just outside my door; or so I hear.
I would love to hear about your whole world sometime. I've done many a
thing besides computers, most of my life has been way outdoors exploring
since I was a child I would go for long walks over hill and dale and
also I have a love for live music, but from '94 on it's been pretty much
computers apple and pc and many kinds of operating systems besides
windows and apple there was novell and sco and I used to be a Microsoft
Partner for eight years, they think I still am. From '94 to 2002 I was
installing every linux distro I could download staying at the cutting
edge drooling for the next beta release, by 2002 I was pretty much stuck
on Debian and it's forks, I now have more than 40 systems installed over
seven computers, my main testing computer has more than 20 systems.
Bill just take away one thing from this post: If it's not fun don't do
it.
I wish somebody had told me this back when I was in grad school.
Cheers!
--
Jimmy Johnson
Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6
Registered Linux User #380263
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