On Thu, 20 Mar 2025 at 22:43, Alexander Graf <graf@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Let's first figure out how all of this works without shim. Then we can > look at whether we need to and how we can extend the shim/sd-boot > interface to make that case work as well. Please don't start off > assuming everyone runs shim in secure boot environments. But that's a bit off topic, though - the issue Mate brought up with this thread is specifically with shim/16 + sd-boot + sd-stub, which is a bit time pressing as both Plucky and Trixie are about to go out with this combination that used to work, but doesn't anymore. Without shim there's no new issue, everything works as it always did.