Hi Lennart, thanks for this helpful answer. On Tue, Jul 04, 2023 at 10:37:55AM +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote: > On Mo, 03.07.23 20:52, Marc Haber (mh+systemd-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote: > > (1) go fully systemd > > That would mean to get rid of bind's -t option completely but use > > systemd's RootDirectory directive instead. I have not tried this but I > > think that the bind community might be reluctant to support a setup like > > that. In advantage, I could use the BindReadOnlyPaths directive to > > directly manage the necessary bind mount to make the notify socket > > accessible. > > I'd generally advise this, as it means you can drop caps like > CAP_SYS_ADMIN and so on right-away, i.e. all the stuff that chroot() > means. That would, however, mean to have the bind binary and all libraries in the chroot as well, which means either a lot of copying or a lot of bind mounting into the chroot, introducing a number of challenges regarding updates etc. Using bind's -t option is charming here because it just needs configuration, persistent data and a few auxillary files in the chroot. This has become harder nowadays since bind loads some libraries with dlopen() after the chroot, so at least those .so files need to be in the chroot. > You don't need to explicitly mount the notify socket if you use this > btw, systemd will do this for you automatically if you combined > RootDirectory= and Type=notify. That is nice to know. > > (2) try to preserve the classic setup > > That would probably mean having a > > /etc/systemd/system/var-local-bind-run-systemd.mount with the contents: > > | [Mount] > > | What=/run/systemd > > | Where=/var/local/bind/run/systemd > > | Type=none > > | Options=bind > > | > > | [Install] > > | WantedBy=bind9.service > > and adding a RequiresMountsFor=/var/local/bind/run/systemd to the > > bind9.service. > > It should suffice bind mounting just the notify socket, not the full > dir. Is it intended behavior that an empty file is left at the "mount point" (what Where= points to) after the unit was stopped? > You could also use a hybrid approach: let systemd bind mount this for > your service (and thus set up a minimal namespaced env for your > service, but with the root where it normally is), and then still let > bind do its own chroot() thing inside of it). I do not quite understand exactly what that means, how would I do that? What is "this" in the "mount this" part of sentence? > Generally speaking: its typically a better idea to rely on proper fs > mount namespacing (i.e. decoupling mount tables of services and host) > rather than plain chroot() (where they aren't decoupled). If bind only > does chroot(), then I think using systemd's namespacing is the much > better choice. Where would I read up on systemd namespacing? Are you refering to what is explained in the "Sandboxing" chapter of systemd.exec(5), like ProtectSystem, ReadWritePaths etc? So I would basically set ProtectSystem=strict ReadWritePaths=/var/local/chroot/bind/pathlist (all paths that bind needs to actually write to) and then finally ExecStart=/path/to/bind -f -t /var/local/chroot/bind ? Is that what you mean? If I set ProtectHome=yes, how do I give the user that bind runs as access to its homedir? Is ReadWritePaths= the solution? > > This works as intended when I start up bind9, but when stopping the name > > daemon, the bind mount still lingers around. I have not fully understood > > the necessary systemd magic to have var-local-bind-run-systemd.mount > > stopped whenever bind9.service stops. How would I do that? > > You can do Wants= from bind to the mount unit. And then do > StopWhenUnneeded= in the mount unit, to release it when not needed. StopWhenUnneeded was what I needed. So I currently have: [7/5031]mh@drop:~ $ sudo systemctl cat named # /lib/systemd/system/named.service [Unit] Description=BIND Domain Name Server Documentation=man:named(8) After=network.target Wants=nss-lookup.target Before=nss-lookup.target RequiresMountsFor=/var/local/chroot/bind/run/systemd [Service] Type=notify EnvironmentFile=-/etc/default/named ExecStart=/usr/sbin/named -f $OPTIONS ExecReload=/usr/sbin/rndc reload ExecStop=/usr/sbin/rndc stop Restart=on-failure [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target Alias=bind9.service [8/5030]mh@drop:~ $ and 1 [9/5031]mh@drop:~ $ sudo systemctl cat var-local-chroot-bind-run-systemd.mount # /etc/systemd/system/var-local-chroot-bind-run-systemd.mount [Unit] StopWhenUnneeded=true [Mount] What=/run/systemd Where=/var/local/chroot/bind/run/systemd Type=none Options=bind [10/5032]mh@drop:~ $ (test system, I don't usually edit files in /lib/systemd, I know about the override mechanisms). Again, thanks for helping, that is highly appreciated. 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