Re: sd-bus: Enabling free-standing, bus-independent plain messages

[Simon McVittie <smcv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, 13 May 2019 at 10:38:38 +0200, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> On So, 12.05.19 13:06, Stanislav Angelovič (angelovic.s@xxxxxxxxx) wrote:
> > Quick question: Would it be possible to extend sd-bus to also allow
> > creating messages without requiring a bus?
> 
> This used to be available but we dropped it, since the serialization
> depends on the bus feature set, i.e. wheter fd passing is available,
> and whether gvariant serialization is available.

I think it might make sense to have a way to serialize data to a D-Bus
1.0 message, and/or to a GVariant. I agree that it doesn't make sense
to serialize to an unspecified D-Bus-adjacent binary format, unless you
already know which bus you are talking to, in which case you should use
the most natural format for that bus.

> What's the usecase for using bus message as general marshalling
> storage anyway? Can you elaborate?

Various GLib-related projects like gvdb (used in dconf) and libostree
use GVariant as a stable on-disk encoding for strongly-typed data,
reusing GVariant's D-Bus-inspired type model, in the same sorts of
places that a different project might have used (for example) JSON,
XDR or Protocol Buffers.

Again, this is a reasonable thing to do with data known to be serialized
in GVariant format, or known to be serialized in D-Bus 1.0 format, but
not a reasonable thing to do with a binary format that might be GVariant
or D-Bus 1.0 or some future message encoding.

If what you want is a "variant" type, note that the recursive type
systems of both GVariant and D-Bus 1.0 require out-of-band information
to encode/decode. For both formats, you need to know the type signature
(e.g. "a{sv}") and the byte-order (big- or little-endian), and for
GVariant you additionally need to know the message length in bytes. On
D-Bus this information is already available in the message header, but
if you're using GVariant or D-Bus 1.0 as a standalone serialization you
will need to provide or reinvent a subset of the message header.

    smcv
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