Re: logging in RAM and journald configuration issue

[Dave Howorth <systemd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

> On Di, 19.03.19 20:45, Dave Howorth (systemd@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote:
> 
> > In the case of a machine that uses an SD card as its primary backing
> > store, it is desirable to reduce the number of write operations to
> > the card in order to prolong its life. journald is quite
> > well-behaved in this regard since it offers the choice of a
> > temporary or permanent journal and limits the frequency of its
> > writes, except in emergencies.
> >
> > However, its permanent journal is written under /var/log/journal and
> > there is no way to configure the path as far as I am aware. I think
> > this is a problem.
> >
> > The reason is that on this type of machine people sometimes map
> >  /var/log to RAM using tmpfs and then perhaps persist the logs
> > using a program like log2ram. When this is done, journald's
> > emergency writing capability is lost and crash analysis becomes
> > more difficult.
> >
> > Of course it is possible instead to redirect the log files of
> > programs individually to temporary memory using systemd-tmpfiles
> > wherever needed. But this involves reconfiguring each and every
> > program that uses /var/log both initially and whenever new programs
> > are installed. This is tedious not only in quantity but because
> > each program has a different detailed format of configuration file.
> >
> > So making /var/log into a tmpfs is a more attractive option. But
> > ideally the journal would be placed somewhere else in persistent
> > storage so its contents are available after a crash. This does not
> > seem to be possible through lack of a config option.
> >
> > Is my analysis correct? Are there any other ways to resolve this
> > difficulty? Otherwise, is it possible to consider a log location
> > config option for journald?  
> 
> Right now, when persistent mode is enabled journald will store its log
> data in /var/log. When it is disabled it will store things in /run/log
> instead.
> 
> It has been requested that we add a hybrid mode that makes journald
> log to both locations at the same time, but filter by log priority so
> that log msgs higher than some priority go to one location and the
> ones below it go to the other. A patch like that would probably be
> relatively straight-forward and short. Would be happy to review/merge
> a patch for that.
> 
> I think if that's implemented the log location should really stay
> unmodified: /var should be persistant and /run not, and there would be
> no need to remount any of those paths in a different way.

Many thanks for the quick reply. I'm not clear how that resolves the
situation I explained, since it neither provides an alternative
persistent log location nor provides an alternative means of
arranging the logs of other programs. It doesn't seem to address my
issue at all?

> Lennart
> 
> --
> Lennart Poettering, Berlin
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