Hi, On Endless we have the following eos-autoupdater.timer: [Unit] Description=Endless OS Automatic Update Timer Documentation=man:eos-autoupdater(8) ConditionKernelCommandLine=!endless.live_boot ConditionKernelCommandLine=ostree [Timer] OnBootSec=15m OnUnitInactiveSec=1h RandomizedDelaySec=30min [Install] WantedBy=multi-user.target This ordinarily works fine, but we have seen a couple of random, rare occasions where this timer doesn't trigger the target eos-autoupdater.service. I have one case here in front of me now with details below. In the list-timers output you can see it has "n/a" for NEXT/LAST etc. There is no evidence of eos-autoupdater.service having started at any point in the journal (nor any crashes). This is not a major concern as it seems to only happen rarely, and fixes itself upon reboot. Also so far we have only reproduced this on systemd-237; it's hard to judge whether it's fixed in a newer version due to the low occurance rate of the issue. But I would be curious if there are any easy debugging steps I can follow when we see this - I'll leave the system running in this state for a couple of days in case there are suggestions. $ systemctl status eos-autoupdater.timer ● eos-autoupdater.timer - Endless OS Automatic Update Timer Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/eos-autoupdater.timer; enabled; vendor preset: enabled) Active: active (elapsed) since Wed 2018-11-07 15:11:14 CST; 23h ago Trigger: n/a Docs: man:eos-autoupdater(8) Nov 07 15:11:14 endless systemd[1]: Started Endless OS Automatic Update Timer. $ systemctl status eos-autoupdater.service ● eos-autoupdater.service - Endless OS Automatic Updater Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/eos-autoupdater.service; indirect; vendor preset: enabled) Active: inactive (dead) Docs: man:eos-autoupdater(8) $ systemctl list-timers NEXT LEFT LAST PASSED UNIT ACTIVATES Thu 2018-11-08 15:34:06 CST 1h 17min left Wed 2018-11-07 15:26:02 CST 22h ago systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service Thu 2018-11-08 17:10:45 CST 2h 54min left Thu 2018-11-08 14:10:44 CST 5min ago eos-phone-home.timer eos-phone-home.service Mon 2018-11-12 00:00:00 CST 3 days left n/a n/a fstrim.timer fstrim.service n/a n/a n/a n/a eos-autoupdater.timer eos-autoupdater.service n/a n/a Wed 2018-11-07 15:27:05 CST 22h ago systemd-readahead-done.timer systemd-readahead-done.service $ systemctl show eos-autoupdater.timer Unit=eos-autoupdater.service NextElapseUSecMonotonic=infinity LastTriggerUSecMonotonic=0 Result=success AccuracyUSec=1min RandomizedDelayUSec=30min Persistent=no WakeSystem=no RemainAfterElapse=yes Id=eos-autoupdater.timer Names=eos-autoupdater.timer Requires=sysinit.target WantedBy=multi-user.target Conflicts=shutdown.target Before=timers.target multi-user.target eos-autoupdater.service shutdown.target After=sysinit.target Triggers=eos-autoupdater.service Documentation=man:eos-autoupdater(8) Description=Endless OS Automatic Update Timer LoadState=loaded ActiveState=active SubState=elapsed FragmentPath=/lib/systemd/system/eos-autoupdater.timer UnitFileState=enabled UnitFilePreset=enabled StateChangeTimestamp=Wed 2018-11-07 15:26:36 CST StateChangeTimestampMonotonic=934682450 InactiveExitTimestamp=Wed 2018-11-07 15:11:14 CST InactiveExitTimestampMonotonic=13380144 ActiveEnterTimestamp=Wed 2018-11-07 15:11:14 CST ActiveEnterTimestampMonotonic=13380144 ActiveExitTimestampMonotonic=0 InactiveEnterTimestampMonotonic=0 CanStart=yes CanStop=yes CanReload=no CanIsolate=no StopWhenUnneeded=no RefuseManualStart=no RefuseManualStop=no AllowIsolate=no DefaultDependencies=yes OnFailureJobMode=replace IgnoreOnIsolate=no NeedDaemonReload=no JobTimeoutUSec=infinity JobRunningTimeoutUSec=infinity JobTimeoutAction=none ConditionResult=yes AssertResult=yes ConditionTimestamp=Wed 2018-11-07 15:11:14 CST ConditionTimestampMonotonic=13380053 AssertTimestamp=Wed 2018-11-07 15:11:14 CST AssertTimestampMonotonic=13380122 Transient=no Perpetual=no StartLimitIntervalUSec=10s StartLimitBurst=5 StartLimitAction=none FailureAction=none SuccessAction=none InvocationID=c1bf78021112483db79c39221fd58d80 CollectMode=inactive $ ls -l /var/lib/systemd/timers/ total 0 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Nov 7 15:11 stamp-fstrim.timer Thanks Daniel _______________________________________________ systemd-devel mailing list systemd-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/systemd-devel