On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 06:38:38PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote: > On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 07:22:51PM +0200, Greg KH wrote: > > > It shouldn't matter for stable or not, if the change is acceptable in > > Linus's tree, with the userspace visable change, then it should be > > acceptable in any active stable branch as well. There is no difference > > here for userspace api/abi rules. > > As discussed before your tolerance for risk in stable is *far* higher > than mine, if there's any value in doing this at all it's probably > within what would get taken but that doesn't mean that it's something > that it's sensible to highlight as an important fix like tagging for > stable does. It's extremely unclear that it fits the severity criteria > that are supposed to be being applied to stable, though obviously the > documentation doesn't fit the actual practice these days. It's not a matter of "tolerance for risk", it's a "if this change is good enough for future releases, why isn't it good enough for older releases as well?" As you know, we don't break user interfaces, so either this is a break or it isn't, stable trees have nothing to do with it as a normal user would "hit" this when updating to run Linus's tree, just as easily as they would "hit" it updating their stable kernel version. thanks, greg k-h