On Thu, Oct 15, 2020 at 7:38 PM Chuck Lever <chuck.lever@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> > On Oct 15, 2020, at 9:59 AM, Trond Myklebust <trondmy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 2020-10-15 at 09:36 -0400, Chuck Lever wrote:
> >>> On Oct 15, 2020, at 8:06 AM, Trond Myklebust <
> >>> trondmy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 2020-10-15 at 00:39 +0530, Ashish Sangwan wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 11:47 PM Trond Myklebust
> >>>> <trondmy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 2020-10-06 at 08:14 -0700, Ashish Sangwan wrote:
> >>>>>> Request for mode bits and nlink count in the
> >>>>>> nfs4_get_referral
> >>>>>> call
> >>>>>> and if server returns them use them instead of hard coded
> >>>>>> values.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> CC: stable@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> Signed-off-by: Ashish Sangwan <ashishsangwan2@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>>> ---
> >>>>>> fs/nfs/nfs4proc.c | 20 +++++++++++++++++---
> >>>>>> 1 file changed, 17 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> diff --git a/fs/nfs/nfs4proc.c b/fs/nfs/nfs4proc.c
> >>>>>> index 6e95c85fe395..efec05c5f535 100644
> >>>>>> --- a/fs/nfs/nfs4proc.c
> >>>>>> +++ b/fs/nfs/nfs4proc.c
> >>>>>> @@ -266,7 +266,9 @@ const u32 nfs4_fs_locations_bitmap[3] = {
> >>>>>> | FATTR4_WORD0_FSID
> >>>>>> | FATTR4_WORD0_FILEID
> >>>>>> | FATTR4_WORD0_FS_LOCATIONS,
> >>>>>> - FATTR4_WORD1_OWNER
> >>>>>> + FATTR4_WORD1_MODE
> >>>>>> + | FATTR4_WORD1_NUMLINKS
> >>>>>> + | FATTR4_WORD1_OWNER
> >>>>>> | FATTR4_WORD1_OWNER_GROUP
> >>>>>> | FATTR4_WORD1_RAWDEV
> >>>>>> | FATTR4_WORD1_SPACE_USED
> >>>>>> @@ -7594,16 +7596,28 @@ nfs4_listxattr_nfs4_user(struct inode
> >>>>>> *inode,
> >>>>>> char *list, size_t list_len)
> >>>>>> */
> >>>>>> static void nfs_fixup_referral_attributes(struct nfs_fattr
> >>>>>> *fattr)
> >>>>>> {
> >>>>>> + bool fix_mode = true, fix_nlink = true;
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> if (!(((fattr->valid & NFS_ATTR_FATTR_MOUNTED_ON_FILEID)
> >>>>>> ||
> >>>>>> (fattr->valid & NFS_ATTR_FATTR_FILEID)) &&
> >>>>>> (fattr->valid & NFS_ATTR_FATTR_FSID) &&
> >>>>>> (fattr->valid & NFS_ATTR_FATTR_V4_LOCATIONS)))
> >>>>>> return;
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> + if (fattr->valid & NFS_ATTR_FATTR_MODE)
> >>>>>> + fix_mode = false;
> >>>>>> + if (fattr->valid & NFS_ATTR_FATTR_NLINK)
> >>>>>> + fix_nlink = false;
> >>>>>> fattr->valid |= NFS_ATTR_FATTR_TYPE |
> >>>>>> NFS_ATTR_FATTR_MODE |
> >>>>>> NFS_ATTR_FATTR_NLINK |
> >>>>>> NFS_ATTR_FATTR_V4_REFERRAL;
> >>>>>> - fattr->mode = S_IFDIR | S_IRUGO | S_IXUGO;
> >>>>>> - fattr->nlink = 2;
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> + if (fix_mode)
> >>>>>> + fattr->mode = S_IFDIR | S_IRUGO | S_IXUGO;
> >>>>>> + else
> >>>>>> + fattr->mode |= S_IFDIR;
> >>>>>> +
> >>>>>> + if (fix_nlink)
> >>>>>> + fattr->nlink = 2;
> >>>>>> }
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> static int _nfs4_proc_fs_locations(struct rpc_clnt *client,
> >>>>>> struct
> >>>>>> inode *dir,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> NACK to this patch. The whole point is that if the server has a
> >>>>> referral, then it is not going to give us any attributes other
> >>>>> than
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> ones we're already asking for because it may not even have a
> >>>>> real
> >>>>> directory. The client is required to fake up an inode, hence
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> existing code.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Trond, thanks for reviewing the patch!
> >>>> Sorry but I didn't understand the reason to NACK it. Could you
> >>>> please
> >>>> elaborate your concern?
> >>>> These are the current attributes we request from the server on a
> >>>> referral:
> >>>> FATTR4_WORD0_CHANGE
> >>>>> FATTR4_WORD0_SIZE
> >>>>> FATTR4_WORD0_FSID
> >>>>> FATTR4_WORD0_FILEID
> >>>>> FATTR4_WORD0_FS_LOCATIONS,
> >>>> FATTR4_WORD1_OWNER
> >>>>> FATTR4_WORD1_OWNER_GROUP
> >>>>> FATTR4_WORD1_RAWDEV
> >>>>> FATTR4_WORD1_SPACE_USED
> >>>>> FATTR4_WORD1_TIME_ACCESS
> >>>>> FATTR4_WORD1_TIME_METADATA
> >>>>> FATTR4_WORD1_TIME_MODIFY
> >>>>> FATTR4_WORD1_MOUNTED_ON_FILEID,
> >>>>
> >>>> So you are suggesting that it's ok to ask for SIZE, OWNER, OWNER
> >>>> GROUP, SPACE USED, TIMESTAMPs etc but not ok to ask for mode bits
> >>>> and
> >>>> numlinks?
> >>>
> >>> No. We shouldn't be asking for any of that information for a
> >>> referral
> >>> because the server isn't supposed to return any values for it.
> >>>
> >>> Chuck and Anna, what's the deal with commit c05cefcc7241? That
> >>> appears
> >>> to have changed the original code to speculatively assume that the
> >>> server will violate RFC5661 Section 11.3.1 and/or RFC7530 Section
> >>> 8.3.1.
> >>
> >> The commit is an attempt to address the many complaints we've had
> >> about the ugly appearance of referral anchors. The strange "special"
> >> default values made the client appear to be broken, and was confusing
> >> to some. I consider this to be a UX issue: the information displayed
> >> in this case is not meant to be factual, but rather to prevent the
> >> user concluding that something is wrong.
> >>
> >> I'm not attached to this particular solution, though. Does it make
> >> sense to perform the referral mount before returning "ls" results
> >> so that the target server has a chance to supply reasonable
> >> attribute values for the mounted-on directory object? Just spit
> >> balling here.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Specifically, the paragraph that says:
> >>>
> >>> "
> >>> Other attributes SHOULD NOT be made available for absent file
> >>> systems, even when it is possible to provide them. The server
> >>> should
> >>> not assume that more information is always better and should
> >>> avoid
> >>> gratuitously providing additional information."
> >>>
> >>> So why is the client asking for them?
> >>
> >> This paragraph (and it's most modern incarnation in RFC 8881 Section
> >> 11.4.1) describes server behavior. The current client behavior is
> >> spec-compliant because there is no explicit prohibition in the spec
> >> language against a client requesting additional attributes in this
> >> case.
> >>
> >> Either the server can clear those bitmap flags on the GETATTR reply
> >> and not supply those attributes, and clients must be prepared for
> >> that.
> >>
> >> Or, it's also possible to read this paragraph to mean that the
> >> server can provide those attributes and the values should not
> >> reflect attributes for the absent file system, but rather something
> >> else (eg, server-manufactured defaults, or the attributes from the
> >> object on the source server).
> >>
> >> And since this is a SHOULD NOT rather than a MUST NOT, servers are
> >> still free to return information about the absent file system.
> >> Clients are not guaranteed this will be the case, however.
> >>
> >> I don't think c05cefcc7241 makes any assumption about whether the
> >> server is lying about the extra attributes. Perhaps the server has
> >> no better values for these attributes than the client's defaults
> >> were.
> >>
> >
> > SHOULD / SHOULD NOT indicates actions that the server is required to
> > take in the absence of a very good reason to do otherwise. In other
> > words, the client should expect the majority of servers to behave in a
> > certain manner.
> >
> > It doesn't matter that the client's behaviour is spec compliant. We're
> > asking for information that is not supposed to be divulged by the
> > majority of servers, Furthermore, that information is, quite frankly,
> > utterly irrelevant to the client and application running on it. Any
> > attempt to access that fake object will result in a submount of
> > something completely different on top of that object.
> >
> > IOW: the only difference here is you're asking that the server provide
> > us with a faked up object (which it is not supposed to do), whereas
> > previously, we were faking that object up ourselves. What's the big
> > deal here?
>
> Right, that boils it down nicely.
>
> The difference has been that by and large the server-provided values
> don't look broken to users. Perhaps all we need to do is select better
> defaults for these attributes on Linux clients. I haven't followed
> Ashish's requirements, so I can't speak to them.
>
The current patch only intended to fix the UX issue, it has no
practical purpose.
If it's breaking the RFC then I agree that the patch should not be included.
Thanks a lot to both of you for explaining the issue in detail!
> Here is some history.
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> https://lore.kernel.org/linux-nfs/CAD8zhTAAvTKhp6k0vYRMnhZW5pxjstpBiDKLgoXocfpAXNjKTg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx/
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> Chuck Lever
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