On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 09:38:09AM -0700, Sultan Alsawaf wrote: > Why hasn't this bug got any attention: > https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/intel/issues/1412 > > That seems like a showstopper. Indeed, pretty shocking. It's worth mentioning that the reporter of said bug, after significant time had elapsed, removed i915 from the kernel entirely and now daily drives the NVIDIA binary blob. Having to fall back to closed source blobs indicates a pretty awful state of affairs. It might otherwise be hard to imagine how that could be preferable, but this situation indicates how. Joonas - More generally, it seems what's happening now is that i915 driver stability and quality is reaching a real low point. Back when i915 was the only stable driver in town, the ivory tower attitude of the maintainers seemed quasi-justifiable. The drivers kept being awesome, so when they kicked the can back at users or gave them the cold shoulder on reports, there was never much of an issue, since things always got fixed in fairly short order. This is no longer the case. Bugs are piling up. Users are unhappy. So it's only natural that some users will just wind up fixing it themselves, especially with responses from Intel like "not guilty!" in response to i915 bug reports. And these users who try to fix these bugs will do so without access to your proprietary debuggers, top-secret data sheets, and NDA'd hardware engineers down the hall, and thus you'll always be able to accuse them of something or another about "due-diligence", since nobody is better suited than you to find and fix these issues in the best way possible. But it hasn't been happening in a satisfactory way from your end, and users need their laptops to actually work, and so things will gradually get fixed (hopefully, anyhow) through other means. Even on the stable front, if fixes to bugs are intermingled into massive refactoring patches, and your team isn't taking charge to separate them out and send them to stable@, then backporting to stable kernels is going to result in a lot of custom work from other people. In other words, you can shun your users' bug reports and fellow developers and get away with that while your driver quality remains tip-top, but if you let things fall, as they have as of late, then expect your ivory tower to be shaken a bit.
