On Mon 2018-04-16 21:18:47, Sasha Levin wrote: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 10:43:28PM +0200, Jiri Kosina wrote: > >On Mon, 16 Apr 2018, Sasha Levin wrote: > > > >> So I think that Linus's claim that users come first applies here as > >> well. If there's a user that cares about a particular feature being > >> broken, then we go ahead and fix his bug rather then ignoring him. > > > >So one extreme is fixing -stable *iff* users actually do report an issue. > > > >The other extreme is backporting everything that potentially looks like a > >potential fix of "something" (according to some arbitrary metric), > >pro-actively. > > > >The former voilates the "users first" rule, the latter has a very, very > >high risk of regressions. > > > >So this whole debate is about finding a compromise. > > > >My gut feeling always was that the statement in > > > > Documentation/process/stable-kernel-rules.rst > > > >is very reasonable, but making the process way more "aggresive" when > >backporting patches is breaking much of its original spirit for me. > > I agree that as an enterprise distro taking everything from -stable > isn't the best idea. Ideally you'd want to be close to the first Original purpose of -stable was "to be common base of enterprise distros" and our documentation still says it is. > I think that we can agree that it's impossible to expect every single > Linux user to go on LKML and complain about a bug he encountered, so the > rule quickly becomes "It must fix a real bug that can bother > people". I think you are playing dangerous word games. > My "aggressiveness" comes from the whole "bother" part: it doesn't have > to be critical, it doesn't have to cause data corruption, it doesn't > have to be a security issue. It's enough that the bug actually affects a > user in a way he didn't expect it to (if a user doesn't have > expectations, it would fall under the "This could be a problem..." > exception. And it seems documentation says you should be less aggressive and world tells you they expect to be less aggressive. So maybe that's what you should do? Pavel -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html
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