* Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 11:22:56AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > > > * Sarah Sharp <sarah.a.sharp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 12:39:07PM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote: > > > > > > > > * Linus Torvalds <torvalds@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Sarah Sharp > > > > > <sarah.a.sharp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, FFS, I just called out on private email for "playing the victim > > > > > > card". I will repeat: this is not just about me, or other minorities. > > > > > > I should not have to ask for professional behavior on the mailing lists. > > > > > > Professional behavior should be the default. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [...] > > > > > > > > > > Because if you want me to "act professional", I can tell you that I'm > > > > > not interested. I'm sitting in my home office wearign a bathrobe. The > > > > > same way I'm not going to start wearing ties, I'm *also* not going to > > > > > buy into the fake politeness, the lying, the office politics and > > > > > backstabbing, the passive aggressiveness, and the buzzwords. Because > > > > > THAT is what "acting professionally" results in: people resort to all > > > > > kinds of really nasty things because they are forced to act out their > > > > > normal urges in unnatural ways. > > > > > > > > Sarah, that's a pretty potent argument by Linus, that "acting > > > > professionally" risks replacing a raw but honest culture with a > > > > polished but dishonest culture - which is harmful to developing > > > > good technology. > > > > > > > > That's a valid concern. What's your reply to that argument? > > > > > > I don't feel the need to comment, because I feel it's a straw man > > > argument. I feel that way because I disagree with the definition of > > > professionalism that people have been pushing. > > > > I hope you won't take this as a sign of disrespect, but it's hard to keep > > up with your somewhat fluid opinion about what exactly you find > > objectionable :-/ > > The good news is you're confused because I've been influenced by some of > the arguments people have made on this thread. As a result, my > viewpoints may have changed subtly, [...] It's nice to see such flexiblity! Thanks for the very detailed description of your opinion, it's a very constructive approach. My opinion is flexible and subject to change as well - and I agree that this is better discussed at the KS. Thanks, Ingo -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe stable" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html