On Wed, 17 Jul 2013, Jiri Kosina wrote: > On Tue, 16 Jul 2013, Stefano Stabellini wrote: > > > > > I think that it's hurting Linux and in particular it's hurting > > > > attracting new talents. > > > > > > Then why do we have the largest # of developers than any other Open > > > Source project? > > > > Because Linux is the most widely used kernel, it's everywhere from > > embedded devices to supercomputers. > > And that's because ... ? > > Yes, because the community has been very open since its very beginning > (and this is not "being open about why I hate you personally", but this is > "being open about what I think about your code"). Being open about what I think about your code doesn't mean that I can feel free to verbally attack you. > Plus there is a *LOT* of humor and sarcasm in all that. Which just > contributes to working on linux kernel being fun. I'd absolutely like to > keep that spirit. > > If you guys now start telling others what is allowed and what is forbidden > to say, you are going to destroy this completely. > > I don't want to be a part of a community where you have to read a legal > code before you can speak without fear of being accused of verbal > violence. > > This just doesn't fit into how people of my culture see the world; hence, > I may even feel offended by Sarah's proposal (i.e. being very restrictive > about what I am allowed to say), actually. I like openness, I like > sarcasm, I like fun. Anyone who is trying to forbid this just doesn't fit > into my culture. We should be able to prevent verbal abuses without involving legal, right? Would a NETIQUETTE file be enough, or would you consider that "legal code"? > > > Honestly, I think LKML over the years has become more tame. Yeah, back > > > in 2005 it was rather harsh, but I don't really see that anymore. I > > > don't see the nasty flame wars going on. Everything seems to be focused > > > more on the technical side, and there's really very little personal > > > attacks out there. Sure, with 15,000 emails a month, you get a few. And > > > Linus will get fed up and burst. But they are really few and far > > > between. And sometimes, a Linus burst gets things moving along much > > > faster than being "professional". You think ARM would have gotten their > > > act together as quick as they did if Linus didn't curse them out and > > > threaten to stop pulling their crap? > > > > I think there is a way to get the point across without cursing. > > Maybe there is, maybe there is not. > > I am not cursing in my e-mails, you are probably neither. Linus is. Others > are. > > So what? He/they believe they achieves their goal through that mode of > operation (and very often they indeed do), as so do we, through different > means of communication. > > No need to change anything anywhere. Please let everyone express their > feelings the way the believe it's best for achieving their goals, and do > the same. There is a very fine line between cursing and what people might perceive as a personal attack. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe stable" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html