On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 01:41:35PM -0700, Sarah Sharp wrote: > "The standard you walk past is the standard you accept." I think this sums up the situation very well. Even if we accept that some people can "correctly" choose when to be abusive, it creates an atmosphere where other people will come to think that kind of thing is okay. I always enjoyed this presentation about maintaining a good social tone in an online community: http://www.slideshare.net/vishnu/how-to-protect-yourhow-to-protect-your-open-source-project-from-poisonous-people People's mistakes can be pointed out without the kind of abuse I've read on lkml. People need to know the severity of problems they create, and almost never are those problems _intentional_ (which would still require one to one accept that it's okay to be abusive as a form of "self defense"). Expecting people to change their behaviors, methods, or practices in order to avoid mistakes seems like a reasonable thing. This is how I've tried to fix my stupid mistakes when I encounter them or they're pointed out. When someone cuts me off in traffic, I assume they're oblivious rather than malicious. If I drove 8 hours a day, I'm sure my resolve to accept and understand these mistakes would erode over time, but I still think it would be more productive to let them know it was uncool with a short honk rather than trying to ram them. :) -Kees -- Kees Cook @outflux.net -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe stable" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html