On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:44:55PM -0700, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 06:29:35PM -0400, Dave Jones wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 03:01:17PM -0700, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > > <rant> > > > I'm sitting on top of over 170 more patches that have been marked for > > > the stable releases right now that are not included in this set of > > > releases. The fact that there are this many patches for stable stuff > > > that are waiting to be merged through the main -rc1 merge window cycle > > > is worrying to me. > > > > > > Why are subsystem maintainers holding on to fixes that are > > > _supposedly_ affecting all users? I mean, 21 powerpc core changes > > > that I don't see until a -rc1 merge? It's as if developers don't > > > expect people to use a .0 release and are relying on me to get the > > > fixes they have burried in their trees out to users. That's not that > > > nice. 6 "core" iscsi-target fixes? That's the sign of either a > > > broken subsystem maintainer, or a lack of understanding what the > > > normal -rc kernel releases are supposed to be for. > > > > I get the impression as soon as we hit -rc1, some maintainers immediately > > go into "OH SHIT, I CAN'T SEND PATCHES OR LINUS WILL SHOUT AT ME" mode. > > I agree. But it seems that I need to now start shouting at them :( > Just like others, I now have a cutoff-point for -stable patches. Depending on the severity of a bug, it is somewhere between -rc4 and -rc6. After -rc6 I only push regressions and crash fixes; the rest has to wait for the commit window. So, yes, there are a couple of hwmon patches in your list. >From a maintainer perspective, seems to me we are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Yes, I would prefer to push all -stable material even late in the -rc game, but that is not how things work nowadays anymore. This should really be discussed at the Kernel Summit. Overall, I don't really care too much how to handle it. Just tell me. The outlook of "Either Linus will shout at you or Greg will" doesn't sound like a good solution, though. Guenter -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe stable" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html