While it's probably not an option for most people, the pf firewall in OpenBSD (and ported to FreeBSD) has settings that basically say after X login attempts over some time period Y for a given IP address, block further attempts for time period Z. It's highly configurable. -- Jeff Simmons jsimmons@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Simmons Consulting - Network Engineering, Administration, Security "You guys, I don't hear any noise. Are you sure you're doing it right?" -- My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult