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On Tue, 15 Jun 2010 15:19:15 +0100, Nick Cairncross
<Nick.Cairncross@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Just to check, Amos: Squid 3 and above has client_persistent_connections
> and server_persistent_connections 'on' by default i.e. not required in
the
> conf file unless setting to 'off'...
> 
> Correct?

Yes. (I mention because they are relevant and many still use older config
files with them explicitly off.)

The persistent_after_error was supposed to be on by default but was
recently found to be off for 3.1.4 and older releases.

Chances are it's the IE8 NTLM->Kerberos transition hitting you though.
That seems to be the biggest NTLM complaint in recent times.

Amos

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Amos Jeffries [mailto:squid3@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: 15 June 2010 12:51
> To: squid-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re:  Squid NTML and auth problems with POST
> 
> Dmitrijs Demidovs wrote:
>> Hi list!
>> 
>> I have a problems with Squid and winbind auth. 
>> 
>> There is a couple of sites (internal CMS systems and external banking 
>> sites) what have the same problems - users can not send attached data
>> files using html web forms (http POST method).
>> 
>> We have Squid and Samba/winbind scheme what perform auth of users
>> against AD domain via NTLM.
>> Everything works just fine except this mystical POST problems.
>> 
>> It looks like this:
>> ===
>> 1276593195.910    256 10.1.2.20 TCP_DENIED/407 4500 POST
>> http://www.site.com/admin.php? - NONE/- text/html
>> 1276593195.919      7 10.1.2.20 TCP_DENIED/407 4706 POST
>> http://www.site.com/admin.php? - NONE/- text/html
>> ===
>> 
>> And if I make a hole in auth for POST method using:
>> ===
>> acl POST method POST
>> acl POST_whitelist dstdomain "/etc/squid/POST_whitelist.txt"
>> http_access allow POST POST_whitelist all ===
>> 
>> and try to send file via form, then all is working fine again:
>> ===
>> 1276593290.237    438 10.1.2.20 TCP_MISS/200 6752 GET
>> http://www.site.com/admin.php? USER01 DEFAULT_PARENT/10.1.4.2 text/html
>> 1276593290.303      2 10.1.2.20 TCP_DENIED/407 4582 GET
>> http://www.site.com/n.php - NONE/- text/html
>> 1276593290.307      1 10.1.2.20 TCP_DENIED/407 4788 GET
>> http://www.site.com/n.php - NONE/- text/html
>> 1276593290.490    180 10.1.2.20 TCP_MISS/200 413 GET
>> http://www.site.com/n.php USER01 DEFAULT_PARENT/10.1.4.2 text/html
>> 1276593305.751  12342 10.1.2.20 TCP_MISS/302 817 POST
>> http://www.site.com/admin.php? - DEFAULT_PARENT/10.1.4.2 text/html
>> 1276593305.755      1 10.1.2.20 TCP_DENIED/407 4680 GET
>> http://www.site.com/admin.php? - NONE/- text/html
>> 1276593305.761      1 10.1.2.20 TCP_DENIED/407 4886 GET
>> http://www.site.com/admin.php? - NONE/- text/html
>> 1276593306.106    344 10.1.2.20 TCP_MISS/302 722 GET
>> http://www.site.com/admin.php? USER01 DEFAULT_PARENT/10.1.4.2 text/html
>> 1276593306.110      0 10.1.2.20 TCP_DENIED/407 4684 GET
>> http://www.site.com/admin.php? - NONE/- text/html
>> ===
>> 
>> 
>> I Googled this and have read a lot of forums, but the only thing that 
>> I found jet, is that there is some king of "brain damage" in ntlm auth
>> scheme (it performs auth in a couple of iterations each time sending
more
>> and more of info about user, and this is fine fore GET but bad for
POST).
>> 
>> Anyway, it seems that InternetExplorrer 8 (and Firefox 3 as well) do
not
>> performs additional auth iterations then they get first 407 while
POSTing
>> data.
>> 
>> I been trying to overcome this problem by using squid configuration 
>> directives like "auth_param ntlm keep_alive on/off", "no_cache"  and 
>> "ie_refresh on/off". Unfortunately - no luck for me  :(
> 
> keep_alive on is highly recommended for Squid older than 3.1. It should
be
> done by default in 3.1+, though I have not yet checked that.
> 
> "no_cache" is useless for this. The "no_" part has been obsolete for
many
> years now. And POST data is not cached anyway.
> 
> ie_refresh is a hack to get around broken refresh requests from old IE
> versions. It is only peripherally relevant, in that the refresh bug may
by
> some fluke cause connections to close early sometimes.
> 
> NP:  persistent_after_error needs to be set as well to help catch these
> ie_refresh error conditions.
> 
>> 
>> Is there any solution for this problem except "acl POST hole" I made? 
> 
> a)  persistent_connections for both clients and servers is also
required.
> Your proxy appears to be closing the connection and thus requiring a
> re-auth when a new connection is opened for each request.
> 
> b) not using NTLM. Negotiate/Kerberos works better and is recommended
over
> NTLM.
> 
> 
> You see this problem ONLY with IE8 and Firefox 3? not with older IE 
> versions?
>    Then chances are good those 'broken' IE8 and similar are sending 
> Kerberos tokens instead of NTLM ones when challenged.
> 
> Amos


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