So, do you want to use proxy in an ISP like setup? Or in a Web Hosting like setup? Regards HASSAN On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:25 AM, Gmail <adbasque@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Ok I'll try and clarify it (thanks btw) > I am running 3 websites on one single machine and have been for few years, > then the load started to grow, then I decided to have a go at a proxy > server: > I was actually putting off for a couple of years, simply because I am very > restricted time wise > I have as I said 3 different websites running on one single machine in a > vhost mode > > three websites with three different domain names. > > Let's say 1) example.com, example.net, example.org all pointing eventually > to the same IP address > as I said it worked perfectly but it started to slow down a bit as the load > gets too much for one machine to handle. > On top of that I run other servers on different machines, such as Chat > servers (IRC, Flash, DigiChat) , and various other applications. > > Now, I am using this machine as a proxy server (reverse proxy server) and a > router at the same time using iptables, and I use another machine as a > DNS/DHCP servers, all configured and working fine indeed no problems at all. > > Now, I really struggled to get the clients on my network to have access to > the internet, I mean just to browse the net, I did in the end, but every > single example I followed not a single one worked for me, I don't know how > many forums and articles I read. > I have applied so many examples no luck. > > So basically no requests were passed to the backend server, all I wanted is > to get those requests forwarded to the web-server and if that works then I > will add three more machines as backend servers and each machine will hold > one website with it's DB and so on.. > > That was my plan anyway, And I found myself in ever decreasing circle going > around in circle, following some people's examples and nothing worked, I > tried to find information for example about, how to setup a cache parent, > sibbling and so on, not a single word about, I even read O'reilly's > articles. > > > In those examples for instance they mention a parent in order to forward a > request, without telling you how to set a parent, and if you don't have a > parent, does that mean you can't use a proxy server, and If I had a parent > where would it be? and how to decide which one is the parent and which one > is the child etc.. NO indication not a single word, "they expect" you to > know all that as if you spent all you life working on their project, it > never occured to them that maybe some people won't know what is a parent or > how to set it up and so on.. > > > I can go on like this for a whole night, I know you're trying to help but to > be perfectly honest I am put off by this whole thing, I don't think I want > to use Squid at all, I reached a saturation point now. > > You see I know even if I get the thing off the ground now, I am sure in a > few weeks time it will whinge at me or even in a few days time. > > Maybe one day if I have the time I can look into it in more details and take > the time to understand first it's concept and the way it works, it seems to > have it's own logic. > > If not I will just have to either purchase a software that does a similar > thing or use Apache as a proxy server and see how it goes. > > I just want to thank you for your time and your effort in trying to help > > Best regards > Adam > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nyamul Hassan" <mnhassan@xxxxxxx> > To: "Squid Users" <squid-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 7:49 PM > Subject: Re: Squid3 issues > > > Please outline your scenario in detail. If you are facing problems > about FDs, then I take it that you already have a running instance, > but that your load is quite high to require more than the default 1024 > FDs. > > Did you get your OS limits changed to more than 1024? I modify my > servers to 65536 whenever I'm running Squid on them. > > Please outline your problem in more details, so that we can help you. > > Regards > HASSAN > > > > > On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 1:37 AM, Gmail <adbasque@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Hello again, >> I am not ranting, I was merely expressing my opinion, well I never said I >> was an expert when it comes to the proxies I have never used them, this is >> my first attempt, yes Debian and Debian based distros are very very popular >> I have used many distros and by far I must admit that the debian is a >> fantastic OS, now it comes to tastes, some like FreeBSD, some like OpenSuse, >> some like Centos5, and so on I have seen many people using Fedora, but I >> wasn't impressed by it when I used it 2 years ago. anyway as I said it's a >> matter of taste. >> >> You say I couldn't get it running yes, when I follow the instruction to >> the letter and I mean to the letter, I have changed several times the >> config, to just forward requests to the backend server "As a test" first the >> back end server is running on virtualhosts, that was the reason, why I >> decided to tackle Squid or a (proxy sever if you like). >> >> I took people's word for it, and I tried it, all I could get it to do is >> allow some http clients to acces the internet, when I try and visit any of >> the websites all I get is the "front page on the proxy itself" No matter >> what I did either I get acces denied etc.. or I get invalid url, all of the >> standard error message, and finally I got to get the default page of the >> apache on the proxy itself, but not one request was forwarded to the backend >> webserver. >> >> I am not mentionning other apps that don't work with Squid, just a few, >> such as MSN, Steam, Utorrent and so on..and then I got the Warnings that my >> cache is running out of file descriptors, no other programme ever did this >> to my servers. >> >> I found squid extremely picky, extremely demanding, what I am saying is, >> 1024 descriptors should be more than enough for it to run and considering >> the fact that nothing else is running on that machine, it was a dedicated >> machine just for squid3.0 >> I got to the point where I couldn't even open the syslog because the >> buffer limit was exceeded, and that was a couple days of me just trying >> testing it, I managed to get the Utorrent working in the end, I had to use >> pidgin instead of MSN for the clients because It was impossible to get MSN >> or Yahoo to connect I haven't tried Skype though, but some people don't like >> Pidgin, they prefer either MSN or Yahoo anyway that wasn't a big deal. >> All I am saying is I found that Squid is very very demanding indeed, and >> if I can't use it the way I like, what's the point? >> Anyway, I have decided not to use it and leave it for people who are happy >> with it and wish them good luck with it. >> I haven't ignored anybody, I have always replied and to tell you the >> truth, I have asked questions before and I was ignored, and that's fine all >> I was asking if they had a decent documentation with clear examples. >> The examples I read all made no sense to me, there are better ways of >> giving good examples. >> For example, they ask you to use a parent, a sibling etc. what if you >> don't have any of these?? >> >> Anyway I don't know why you took it so personally, All I am saying here in >> simple terms, when you write a program don't expect every person to know >> what you're on about, make your example as simple as possible that anybody >> can understand, people don't need to be experts in order to use that's all, >> and if that offended and you can't take a bit of criticism than I can't help >> you. >> >> When I write a program and I get criticised I will listen and ask how >> would they like to be and I will explain why I did it the way I did it. >> Simple :-) >> >> Take care mate, we're going nowhere with this, thanks anyway for your >> replies >> Regards >> Adam >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nyamul Hassan" <mnhassan@xxxxxxx> >> To: <squid-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 6:28 PM >> Subject: Re: Squid3 issues >> >> >>> Your rant can be summarized as follows: >>> >>> 1. You are using a OS (and version) which (according to you) has poor >>> documentation or other info. Ubuntu / Debian are very popular Linux >>> flavours. As someone who claims to have been a Linux administrator for >>> "several years", haven't you ever come across the FD issue in any situation? >>> Strange! >>> >>> 2. You are a single man catering to "many" servers, so you don't want to >>> "waste time" with a software that you could not get running on an OS as in >>> #1. The "we" in my email was meant to be my company. I personally see over >>> all the installations we have. No one else as a helping hand. >>> >>> 3. You find a lot of people complaining that they can't run squid. But, >>> you ignore a lot of other people (like myself and Jan who responded to your >>> post) who are saying this is a brilliant piece of software. >>> >>> Instead of ranting, I would suggest you change your attitude, and start >>> laying down the problems that you are facing. Someone from the community >>> will always get back to you, as they have for me in the past. >>> >>> I have no intention of starting a flame war here. I just want you to calm >>> down, and assure you, Squid in itself is a brilliant piece of code. >>> Remember, this is the same software that serves Wikipedia, and that speaks a >>> lot about how stable this software is. >>> >>> Also, Squid 3.0 is still under active development, and is not suitable >>> for all scenarios. We use 2.7 because we use it as a forward proxy, and many >>> features available in the 2.x branch have not yet been fully migrated to the >>> 3.x branch. So, 2.7 suits our scenario more. Perhaps you can also mention >>> what your scenario is. >>> >>> As for OS, I've seen some people say FreeBSD is one of the best OS for >>> Squid. But, we ourselves are pretty happy with CentOS 5.x. So, find out what >>> works for you. Ubuntu / Debian are also very popular Linux flavours, so I >>> think you need to search some more about how to increase FDs. >>> >>> I hope you find solutions to your woes, and come to use Squid to your >>> favour. >>> >>> Regards >>> HASSAN >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gmail" <adbasque@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: "Nyamul Hassan" <mnhassan@xxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 00:01 >>> Subject: Re: Squid3 issues >>> >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> I did say that some people would disagree, I know that there are people >>>> who might find it brilliant >>>> I am not moaning, I was stating facts, you're talking about the version >>>> 2.7 or whatever you're using >>>> I am talking about version 3.0++. >>>> >>>> All of the examples don't make any sense I have followed them to the >>>> letter and yet I still got lot of issues, as for the emails I did reply to >>>> both of them and twice >>>> and I even sent another email asking another question, if it works for >>>> you then good for you, I am glad that some people like it. >>>> but for me it didn't work, no matter what I tried, I am using Ubuntu, >>>> that's another thing you will find certain things in details for most OSes >>>> but not for Ubuntu or even a debian and if you do find anything it's always >>>> with the older versions., which you know most things in the v2.0++ are not >>>> recognised in version 3.0 >>>> >>>> I have been a webmaster for many years and I have used many linux >>>> distros, I have compiled, installed and ran countless programmes. >>>> I also code in Java, and many other scripting languages, I am not >>>> exactly a novice. >>>> >>>> If you think the programme is so brilliant, then don't take my word for >>>> it, just check out the forums, mailing lists etc.. you will see how many >>>> people are having difficulties with squid, since it started. >>>> It hasn't got any better I had a go few years back I had the same >>>> problems back then. >>>> If you do like it good for you, and to tell me if I don't like it I >>>> shouldn't use it, yes if we had another option yes, but we don't, and it's >>>> not as good as people claim to be, the truth is, people don't have a choice >>>> or an alternative. >>>> >>>> If you're happy spending hours everyday solving one problem after >>>> another, be my guest but I hardly have the time to mock around with useless >>>> software, People should be able to use and run without having to become >>>> experts. >>>> The same things applies to the Linux community, that's why most pople >>>> can't be bothered to have linux in their homes, even though deep down they >>>> know that Microsoft isn't reliable. >>>> >>>> And you're talking in "we" meaning you have more than one person to run >>>> whatever you're running, as for me I am running everything all by myself, >>>> from the webservers, to the clients, to the DBs, to the chat servers, to the >>>> commercial websites, all by myself. >>>> So I don't have the time to waste with one program that is supposed to >>>> be compiled, installed and ran without any difficulties, not even a read me >>>> on how to install it., unless you run .configure --help in order to find the >>>> list of options, and most of them are not recognised and so on and so forth. >>>> >>>> on one hand solving problems caused by Squid and then solve problems on >>>> the system itself in order for it to recognise it, >>>> not to mention the huge amount of errors you'll get when you try and >>>> configure it and then compile it etc... >>>> >>>> You're right if I don't like it I don't use, that is exactly the >>>> attitude I am talking about, instead of trying to improve the software so >>>> people can use it, you give them the choice take it or leave it, is that it? >>>> Listen my friend I am not here to pick an argument with people, all I am >>>> saying is people should come out of this mindset of "I am a volunteer" >>>> therefore I don't have to do anything, when you do something do it properly >>>> or don't bother. >>>> Don't expect anyone who walks in will understand your software or your >>>> program, I make programs with perl and java I make sure that anybody can run >>>> it, install it and compile it with instructions step by step on how to use >>>> it. >>>> >>>> Have a nice day and good luck to you and everybody else >>>> Cheers! :) >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nyamul Hassan" <mnhassan@xxxxxxx> >>>> To: <squid-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 2:12 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Squid3 issues >>>> >>>> >>>>> Your email is one long whining without much substance at all. I have >>>>> been a >>>>> member of this list for over 3 years now, and been using Squid for a >>>>> year >>>>> and a half. During all this time, I have always found this list to be >>>>> hospitable, and helpful. >>>>> >>>>> If you don't like the software, then don't use it. It's not costing you >>>>> anything. That being said, I have almost never found any attitude from >>>>> any >>>>> person on the list that says RTFM. Even when someone asks about obvious >>>>> things, someone is kind enough to point to the right direction. >>>>> >>>>> We use over 4 Squid proxies (running 2.7STABLE7), running commodity >>>>> hardware, and their performance has been more than satisfactory to us. >>>>> However, we run all of them over CentOS 5+. Last year, even commercial >>>>> vendor Bluecoat could not give us a strong enough reason to show that their >>>>> product performed any better than Squid to justify the cost differential. >>>>> >>>>> If it is file descriptors that is creating problems, then you need to >>>>> read the OS docs on how to increase that on the OS side. On CentOS, running >>>>> "ulimit -n" shows how many FDs are allowed by the OS. >>>>> >>>>> As for Squid, a simple recompile with the "--with-maxfd=XXXX" flag >>>>> worked >>>>> like a charm for me. Using "squid -v" is always handy to get the >>>>> existing compile-time flags first. >>>>> >>>>> Whatever your frustration at this point, whining over at the forum, and >>>>> blaming everyone else and saying "admit that squid does not work", is >>>>> pretty lame. >>>>> >>>>> Oh, by the way, I searched my email archives of the Squid Mailing List, >>>>> with your "email id", and it turned out there is only one email from you, >>>>> and that was only 15 hours ago, within which there have been 4 email >>>>> responses already. You did not even reply to one of them saying what did not >>>>> go as suggested. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> HASSAN >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gmail" <adbasque@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> To: <squid-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2010 19:30 >>>>> Subject: Squid3 issues >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>> I have been trying for nearly 5 weeks now to get this piece of >>>>>> software to >>>>>> work, I have tried several versions, I have tried it on several >>>>>> platforms, >>>>>> all I got from it is frustration, I know that some people would say >>>>>> what a >>>>>> fantastic piece of software. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have used many softwares, packages, compiled stuff for years, never >>>>>> ever >>>>>> had an experience such as this one, it's a package full of headaches, >>>>>> and >>>>>> problem after problem, And to be honest the feedback I get is always >>>>>> blaming other things, why can't you people just admit that Squid >>>>>> doesn't >>>>>> work at all, and you are not providing any help whatsoever, as if you >>>>>> expect everyone to be an expert. >>>>>> >>>>>> I also don't like the attitude of some people, talking to you as if >>>>>> you're >>>>>> an "idiot", while in fact you follow their suggestions to the letter >>>>>> and >>>>>> yet it doesn't work, instead of blaming the operating systems and >>>>>> blaming >>>>>> people for not knowing how to use it, why can't you try and do >>>>>> something >>>>>> that works for a change, I have wasted nearly 5 weeks day in day out >>>>>> sometimes I stayed til 3 or 4 am trying desperately to get this thing >>>>>> working. >>>>>> >>>>>> For instance if I compile with no options I know that somewhere down >>>>>> the >>>>>> line I am going to find out that I needed this or that, if I compile >>>>>> it >>>>>> with some options I get errors that don't make any sense, examples. >>>>>> >>>>>> I uninstalled the version that was packaged with Ubuntu hardy, I am >>>>>> trying >>>>>> to compile it so I won't have the same problem, with the file >>>>>> descriptors, >>>>>> I followed exactly the suggestions in the configure --help menu, yet I >>>>>> am >>>>>> getting an error, >>>>>> like Compile cannot create executable, or something to that effect. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not to mention when I tried to run it, it didn't forward any requests, >>>>>> I >>>>>> have followed all of the configuration examples and people's >>>>>> suggestions, >>>>>> never could forward any request to my backend server. >>>>>> >>>>>> After three weeks I managed to get my clients to have access to the >>>>>> internet, and many applications didn't work, such as Yahoo, Msn, Steam >>>>>> and >>>>>> so on, when I ask for help, nobody has an answer including some >>>>>> members of >>>>>> the team. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes I can hear some arguments, saying but we are volunteers, true, but >>>>>> you >>>>>> either do something that works or don't. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I needed help for say, Unrealircd or any other program I know I can >>>>>> get >>>>>> help, and their documentaion, does what it says on the tin. you follow >>>>>> their instructions, you will get it to work exactly as they say. >>>>>> >>>>>> With squid, it doesn't work, that's all I am getting, I don't even >>>>>> believe >>>>>> that it works now to be honest, I am sorry I am not moaning but it's >>>>>> true, >>>>>> I have been on many forums for weeks and all I could see were problems >>>>>> people are facing with any version of squid , and no solutions are >>>>>> given >>>>>> very few and after you fix one problem 10 others pop up somewhere else >>>>>> I >>>>>> certainly don't want to spend my life fixing and bashing my head >>>>>> trying to >>>>>> find a solution, I want something that works, but unfortunately it >>>>>> doesn't. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am just going to try something else somewhere else, >>>>>> Thanks all the same for anyone who tried to help, but this is not for >>>>>> me, >>>>>> life is too short to waste anymore of my time, in trying to get >>>>>> something >>>>>> that doesn't work, "working" >>>>>> >>>>>> If anybody can prove me wrong: >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> All the best to everyone >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > > >
