>
> Hi
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 6:05 PM Frediano Ziglio <fziglio@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ..Hi
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:14 PM Frediano Ziglio <fziglio@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > The role of the grab message is to take ownership of the clipboard
> > > > > (to
> > > > > advertize clipboard data available). It may come at any time from
> > > > > both
> > > > > side, and override the current grab owner. It may come from the guest
> > > > > (after C-c in guest app, for ex), so the client grabs the clipboard.
> > > > > Or it may come from the client (C-c in client side app), and the
> > > > > agent
> > > > > will grab the guest clipboard.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I realized this morning thinking about how clipboards works
> > > > (very rusty in my mind).
> > > > Instead of setting it you get the ownership that is you are willing
> > > > to set a value on the clipboard but you defer setting it to avoid
> > > > the expense of data copy.
> > > > So, the old (original?) protocol was simply to sending entire data
> > > > on every change, this avoided to loose the clipboard data entirely.
> > >
> > > I don't even remember that version. It looks like the original version
> > > was already "on-demand"
> > >
> > >
> > > commit 5fdd0ba6650919dcfd7740c041ad7d2b9c4560ab
> > > Author: Arnon Gilboa <agilboa@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Date: Mon Oct 4 16:45:15 2010 +0200
> > >
> > > vd_agent: add protocol messages for clipboard/selection-owner model
> > >
> > > -VD_AGENT_CLIPBOARD_GRAB(type) - tell the other side that an
> > > application in our side ("we") got ownership of the clipboard.
> > > -VD_AGENT_CLIPBOARD_REQUEST(type) - after we know the other side
> > > owns the clipboard (GRAB received), we notify the os we are the owner.
> > > when we are asked by the os/app for the clipboard data, we send this
> > > RE
> > > QUEST msg to the other side.
> > > -VD_AGENT_CLIPBOARD(type, data) - the existing message for sending
> > > the clipboard, is now sent only in response to REQUEST.
> > > -VD_AGENT_CLIPBOARD_RELEASE - tell the other side that we are no
> > > longer the owner of the clipboard (e.g. the owner app was closed).
> > >
> > > this patch will be followed by agent & client patches handling the
> > > above messages.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So VD_AGENT_CAP_CLIPBOARD_BY_DEMAND simply means clipboard support to me.
> > >
> >
> > I suppose the "now" in "the existing message for sending the clipboard, is
> > now sent only in response to REQUEST" means that was changed.
> >
> > I personally think the code should be readable from a tarball/snapshot not
> > pretending people to dig into 10 years of history. I'll try to find some
> > time
> > to put these lines into vd_agent.h.
> >
> > > > The current is: if we get new local clipboard data send the "grab"
> > > > so remote knows that will have to read our data.
> > >
> > > yes
> > >
> > > > So either we have ownership/grab, meaning the data are remote
> > > > waiting to get fetched or we don't have ownership and the remote
> > > > should be grabbing as we have data to send (at least in a stable
> > > > state).
> > >
> > >
> > > That last sentence is confusing. There are 2 states the client can
> > > "have the grab".
> > >
> > > 1. the client took the grab for the remote data: we are talking about
> > > the client app in the client desktop environment
> > > 2. the client took the grab, at the protocol level: it sent a grab
> > > over the protocol to announce it can provide clipboard data to the
> > > remote. In this case, the client app doesn't have the grab in the
> > > client desktop environment, but another client application.
> > >
> > > In general, when talking about the protocol, "client has the grab"
> > > means 2) to me, iow it can provide data to the remote.
> > >
> >
> > I think I mean the opposite. The reason is that some application
> > have the ownership on either side, when you send a VD_AGENT_CLIPBOARD_GRAB
> > the current local application (so spice-gtk/vd_agent) does NOT have the
> > ownership and it's asking the remote to take to the application (so will
> > remove the ownership from another remote application).
> > From how I read the message (VD_AGENT_CLIPBOARD_GRAB) is telling the
> > other side to grab (take ownership) of the clipboard so will be the
> > remote to have the "grab", not the local.
>
>
> I find it hard to understand you. The sequence of events is as such.
>
> A & B are client or remote exchangeably:
> - an application on A takes the clipboard grab (== announce clipboard
> data is available)
> - A get notified by the desktop and sends a GRAB message to B side
> - B receives GRAB, and takes the clipboard grab on B desktop side
>
> With this sequence, "A" has the clipboard grab at the Spice protocol
> level, so to say. It means there is clipboard data on A side.
>
Not clear either. If what you wrote it's correct, what I read:
You wrote "B receives GRAB, and takes the clipboard grab" so I suppose
that B now have the "clipboard grab", however you also wrote
"A has the clipboard grab at the Spice protocol level" so if this is true
here "clipboard grab" and "clipboard grab at the Spice protocol level" are
two distinct definitions. To me looks like you are overloading some
definition here. In particular mixing the concept of clipboard ownership
from the local desktop prospective (all GTK, X11 and Windows have this
concept of clipboard owner) with SPICE one, which is why I'm confused.
They are related indeed but are not the same thing. These patches
are actually changing the relation between them so confusing the
two definition does not help.
> > >
> > > > Not sure what is the initial state, when you connect.
> > >
> > > Initial state is undefined, and currently whatever the guest or client
> > > side state is. Iow, Spice client/agent doen't do anything afaik. They
> > > will only react to further grab events.
> > >
> >
> > I suppose the agent will keep its state while the client if was not
> > connected get some initial state (boolean variables have to be true or
> > false at the end).
> >
> > > We could change the client or the guest to take the grab on connect,
> > > if clipboard data is available. That doesn't require protocol change.
> > > Although in case of conflict, we would probably end in the same
> > > situation that this protocol change is aiming to solve.
> > >
> >
> > When there's a disconnection we should drop the ownership as we
> > cannot anymore get the data from the remote in case other application
> > are asking so the "disconnected" state should be no ownership of
> > the clipboard on both ends (although I suppose the client will be
> > closed at that time).
>
> That's an implementation issue, not related to the protocol and the
> problem discussed here.
>
> >
> > Once a connection happens we could however have both ends with
> > data on the clipboard (the total states are 3 (a) client/agent have
> > ownership (b) other application have ownership (c) no ownership/data
> > on clipboard, here (a) should be impossible).
> > Which one "win" I would say hard to tell.
> >
>
> If both sides would try to take the grab simultaneously at init time,
> they would race, and we get back to the problem we are solving here.
>
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