答复: RE: non-200 response to PRACK (was: Re: PRACK: Change MUST requirement to include SDP offer in first reliable provisional response)

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I mean rejectable in app-level. 491 is beneath app-level.
And precondition notification is not a rejectable usage in app-level.

BTW, I saw some points of view (just today and yesterday) which want to make it simple.



"Christer Holmberg" <christer.holmberg@xxxxxxxxxxxx>

2009-04-07 16:53

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RE: non-200 response to PRACK (was:  Re:  PRACK: Change MUST requirement to include SDP offer in first reliable provisional response)





Hi,
 
>>I think we already a while ago agreed on the principle that it shall be possible to send a non-200 response to a PRACK (not only for offer/answer, but possibly also due to other reasons).
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[Gao] Then, it is a modification of RFC3262.  
 
Yes.
 
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And, in that case, why would an intermeidate be allowed to reject a PRACK, but not the UAS?
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[Gao]  I think, by RFC3262, it is not suitable to put too much usage in the PRACK to make it rejectable.  
 
Every request is rejectable, no matter how much or little usage you have in it.
 
Regards,

 

Christer

 
 



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[Sipping] 答复: Re: PRACK: Change MUST requirement to include SDP offer in first reliable provisional response



More points of view to this question:


By RFC3262:
1. "Retransmissions of the reliable provisional response cease when a matching PRACK is received by the UA core."


2. "If the PRACK does match an unacknowledged reliable provisional response, it MUST be responded to

 with a 2xx response."


So, when UAs receive a matching PRACK, it will stop re-transmit the reliable provisional response(18x). And the response

to PRACK MUST be 2xx.


It is simple and clear. And when UAs receive non-2xx response to PRACK, it is clear that the other side do not receive the

PRACK. It can send a new PRACK(CSeq++, the same RAck).


And now, we can use PRACK to send "precondition notification" and "codec refine". When we need to issue session modification like adding codec,
adding/removing media streams, we MUST using Re-INVITE/UPDATE.


I think we should not re-write RFC3262 to allow the UA to reject the PRACK.




Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat@xxxxxxxxx>
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2009-04-06 20:16


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Re: [Sipping] PRACK: Change MUST requirement to include SDP offer in        first reliable provisional response









I think I also agree. There are a lot of things that in hindsight we
probably would have done differently. But that is water over the dam. We
are where we are.

              Paul

Rockson Li (zhengyli) wrote:
> I totally agree with Hadriel's insight here.
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> It should have been avoided to put too many jobs into PRACK,
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> I miss KISS(Keep It Simple and Stupid) principle
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> Regards,
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> -Rockson
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> offer in first reliable provisional response
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> In hindsight I’m thinking we probably also shouldn’t have made the SDP
> answer (or another offer) required or even possible in the PRACK
> either.  I think it should have been for one and only one purpose: to
> acknowledge receipt of the provisional response.
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> -hadriel
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