On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 9:09 AM Kees Cook <keescook@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 05:35:26PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 14, 2022 at 5:18 AM Andy Lutomirski <luto@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2022, at 7:13 AM, Jann Horn wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Oct 6, 2022 at 11:05 AM Christian Brauner <brauner@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >> On Thu, Oct 06, 2022 at 01:27:34AM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> > > >> > The check_unsafe_exec() counting of n_fs would not add up under a heavily
> > > >> > threaded process trying to perform a suid exec, causing the suid portion
> > > >> > to fail. This counting error appears to be unneeded, but to catch any
> > > >> > possible conditions, explicitly unshare fs_struct on exec, if it ends up
> > > >>
> > > >> Isn't this a potential uapi break? Afaict, before this change a call to
> > > >> clone{3}(CLONE_FS) followed by an exec in the child would have the
> > > >> parent and child share fs information. So if the child e.g., changes the
> > > >> working directory post exec it would also affect the parent. But after
> > > >> this change here this would no longer be true. So a child changing a
> > > >> workding directoro would not affect the parent anymore. IOW, an exec is
> > > >> accompanied by an unshare(CLONE_FS). Might still be worth trying ofc but
> > > >> it seems like a non-trivial uapi change but there might be few users
> > > >> that do clone{3}(CLONE_FS) followed by an exec.
> > > >
> > > > I believe the following code in Chromium explicitly relies on this
> > > > behavior, but I'm not sure whether this code is in active use anymore:
> > > >
> > > > https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:sandbox/linux/suid/sandbox.c;l=101?q=CLONE_FS&sq=&ss=chromium
> > >
> > > Wait, this is absolutely nucking futs. On a very quick inspection, the sharable things like this are fs, files, sighand, and io. files and sighand get unshared, which makes sense. fs supposedly checks for extra refs and prevents gaining privilege. io is... ignored! At least it's not immediately obvious that io is a problem.
> > >
> > > But seriously, this makes no sense at all. It should not be possible to exec a program and then, without ptrace, change its cwd out from under it. Do we really need to preserve this behavior?
> >
> > I agree that this is pretty wild.
> >
> > The single user I'm aware of is Chrome, and as far as I know, they use
> > it for establishing their sandbox on systems where unprivileged user
> > namespaces are disabled - see
> > <https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/+/main/docs/linux/suid_sandbox.md>.
> > They also have seccomp-based sandboxing, but IIRC there are some small
> > holes that mean it's still useful for them to be able to set up
> > namespaces, like how sendmsg() on a unix domain socket can specify a
> > file path as the destination address.
> >
> > (By the way, I think maybe Chrome wouldn't need this wacky trick with
> > the shared fs_struct if the "NO_NEW_PRIVS permits chroot()" thing had
> > ever landed that you
> > (https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/0e2f0f54e19bff53a3739ecfddb4ffa9a6dbde4d.1327858005.git.luto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx/)
> > and Mickaël Salaün proposed in the past... or alternatively, if there
> > was a way to properly filter all the syscalls that Chrome has to
> > permit for renderers.)
> >
> > (But also, to be clear, I don't speak for Chrome, this is just my
> > understanding of how their stuff works.)
>
> Chrome seems to just want a totally empty filesystem view, yes?
> Let's land the nnp+chroot change. :P Only 10 years late! Then we can
> have Chrome use this and we can unshare fs on exec...
Someone should check with Chrome first though to make sure what I said
accurately represents what they think...
