On Mon, Dec 9, 2019 at 6:20 PM Casey Schaufler <casey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 12/9/2019 5:58 AM, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> > On 12/9/19 8:21 AM, Stephen Smalley wrote:
> >> On 12/9/19 2:57 AM, Ondrej Mosnacek wrote:
> >>> Commit b1d9e6b0646d ("LSM: Switch to lists of hooks") switched the LSM
> >>> infrastructure to use per-hook lists, which meant that removing the
> >>> hooks for a given module was no longer atomic. Even though the commit
> >>> clearly documents that modules implementing runtime revmoval of hooks
> >>> (only SELinux attempts this madness) need to take special precautions to
> >>> avoid race conditions, SELinux has never addressed this.
> >>>
> >>> By inserting an artificial delay between the loop iterations of
> >>> security_delete_hooks() (I used 100 ms), booting to a state where
> >>> SELinux is enabled, but policy is not yet loaded, and running these
> >>> commands:
> >>>
> >>> while true; do ping -c 1 <some IP>; done &
> >>> echo -n 1 >/sys/fs/selinux/disable
> >>> kill %1
> >>> wait
> >>>
> >>> ...I was able to trigger NULL pointer dereferences in various places. I
> >>> also have a report of someone getting panics on a stock RHEL-8 kernel
> >>> after setting SELINUX=disabled in /etc/selinux/config and rebooting
> >>> (without adding "selinux=0" to kernel command-line).
> >>>
> >>> Reordering the SELinux hooks such that those that allocate structures
> >>> are removed last seems to prevent these panics. It is very much possible
> >>> that this doesn't make the runtime disable completely race-free, but at
> >>> least it makes the operation much less fragile.
> >>>
> >>> An alternative (and safer) solution would be to add NULL checks to each
> >>> hook, but doing this just to support the runtime disable hack doesn't
> >>> seem to be worth the effort...
> >>
> >> Personally, I would prefer to just get rid of runtime disable altogether; it also precludes making the hooks read-only after initialization. IMHO, selinux=0 is the proper way to disable SELinux if necessary. I believe there is an open bugzilla on Fedora related to this issue, since runtime disable was originally introduced for Fedora.
> >
> > Also, if we have to retain this support, it seems like this ought to be fixed in the LSM framework especially since it was a change there that broke the SELinux implementation.
>
> Agreed, mostly. Deleting an LSM is fundamentally something the infrastructure
> should handle *if* we allow it. Should we decide at some point to allow loadable
> modules, as Tetsuo has advocated from time to time, we would need a general
> solution. We don't have a general solution now because only SELinux wants it.
> The previous implementation was under #ifdef for SELinux. At the time I understood
> that there was no interest in investing in it. The implementation passed tests
> at the time.
>
> I propose that until such time as someone decides to seriously investigate
> loadable security modules* the sole user of the deletion mechanism is
> welcome to invest whatever they like in their special case, and I will be
> happy to lend whatever assistance I can.
On my way to lunch I came up with another relatively simple solution
that should address this problem at the infrastructure level. Let me
try to write it up into a patch, hopefully it will work...
>
> ---
> * I do not plan to propose an implementation of loadable modules.
> I leave that as an exercise for the next generation.
>
>
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Ondrej Mosnacek <omosnace at redhat dot com>
Software Engineer, Security Technologies
Red Hat, Inc.
