Re: typebounds lookup from userspace

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On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 11:47 -0400, Joshua Brindle wrote:
> Stephen Smalley wrote:
> > On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 10:32 -0400, Joshua Brindle wrote:
> >> Stephen Smalley wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 10:07 -0400, Joshua Brindle wrote:
> >>>> For symbol labeling purposes for policy access control we need to be
> >>>> able to look up symbol hierarchy relationships. I expect we'll do this
> >>>> by exporting the symbol hierarchy via selinuxfs. Does anyone have
> >>>> suggestions on what that should look like? Do we want to export
> >>>> additional information on the symbols at the same time?
> >>> I would have thought that the policy server would have its own internal
> >>> policydb that it could consult to check hierarchy relationships?
> >>>
> >> We want to avoid loading more policydb's since RAM usage and
> >> performance were issues with the expand-based access control.
> > 
> > libsemanage already has to load the policydb into memory for its
> > transactions.  Will this change in the future?  If not, then it seems
> > that you could simply leverage that.
> > 
> 
> True, though that is currently only done when not building a policy.

What?  It constructs a policydb in memory when building a policy and
then writes it out.  There is always an in-memory policydb, whether it
is just loaded from the existing policy file (via Dan's enhancement) or
generated via expand/link + merge local components.

>  For access control we will be building a policy but hope to do access
> control far before that happens (thus saving time if it is going to
> fail anyway). The rebuild code path doesn't currently open the old
> policy so adding that would double the ram usage.

Ok.

> > I know that at one point the trend was toward one value per file, but
> > that carries a cost of course, and I'm not sure the /selinux/class
> > interface turned out to be ideal.  Maybe others have opinions.
> > 
> 
> was there anything specific about the class interface you didn't like?
> I like it in the sense that once the tree is built the policydb never
> has to be consulted. I don't think that is an option for this case
> though.
> 
> I like one value per file but we are talking about a large namespace for types.

Yes, I'm a little concerned about eating up kernel memory for all of
those pseudo inodes, most of which will never be used by userspace.

-- 
Stephen Smalley
National Security Agency


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