-----Original Message----- From: shrike-list-admin@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:shrike-list-admin@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of shrike-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 3:55 PM To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Shrike-list digest, Vol 1 #901 - 14 msgs Send Shrike-list mailing list submissions to shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/shrike-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to shrike-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx You can reach the person managing the list at shrike-list-admin@xxxxxxxxxx When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Shrike-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. RE: Fedora vs. RHL (Buck) 2. RE: SV: date for release of redhat 10? (Buck) 3. Virtual terminals disabled (Ctrl-Alt-F1 - Ctrl-Alt-F6). (Alejandro =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gonz=E1lez_Hern=E1ndez?= - Imoq) 4. Re: [OT] The right HW for the each SW server (Guy Fraser) 5. RE: Fedora vs. RHL (Craig White) 6. HP K60 Won't Print (Randy Chrismon) 7. gpilot (Craig White) 8. RE: Fedora vs. RHL (Rodolfo J. Paiz) 9. Re: date for release of redhat 10? (Jos Herni) 10. RE: Fedora vs. RHL (Buck) 11. Re: HP K60 Won't Print (D. D. Brierton) 12. Sendmail help please! (Andre Cameron) 13. RE: Fedora vs. RHL (Brian T. Brunner) 14. Re: date for release of redhat 10? (Mike Burger) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Buck" <RHList@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: Fedora vs. RHL Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:49:19 -0400 Reply-To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx I am too new to know about Yum and the others you mention. Don't try to read in or out anything. I talked to Red Hat Sales. The man told me that RED HAT will not be offering the demo or basic up2date service any longer. Up2date on Red Hat is only available with the purchase of one of the three enterprise products. To me, it would make sense that Fedora would have an up2date even if they charged a minimal charge, say $30-60 / year. I am sure that they are working on updates and debugging products anyway so it would make sense that it would cost them very little to make them available by up2date when they will make them available anyway. Of course, only time will tell. Buck -----Original Message----- From: shrike-list-admin@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:shrike-list-admin@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rodolfo J. Paiz Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 10:49 AM To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Fedora vs. RHL At 08:31 9/23/2003, you wrote: >As per my conversation with a Red Hat salesman yesterday. It will only >be available to Enterprise customers. But (correct me if I'm wrong here) yum, current, and apt-get (especially if run via cron) can take up the slack with no loss in functionality. Yes? No? -- Rodolfo J. Paiz rpaiz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- Shrike-list mailing list Shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/shrike-list --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Buck" <RHList@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: SV: date for release of redhat 10? Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:52:05 -0400 Reply-To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx For the entire enterprise package, I'd be glad to pay $100 for up2dates and to download isos. Buck -----Original Message----- From: shrike-list-admin@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:shrike-list-admin@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rodolfo J. Paiz Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 11:11 AM To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: SV: date for release of redhat 10? At 03:30 9/23/2003, you wrote: >All I wanted was the EoL of AS for downloading updates. >Why won't RedHat have a pricing of say... $2499/year for an account >that only grants one thing to the costumer: timely access to the >updates. > >I don't want phone assistance, 12x5 or 24x7. Just the updates. I'm going to assume you meant $24.99 here. However, even if it were $49.99 or whatever I'd still be happy. >We'd pay for that. So would I. -- Rodolfo J. Paiz rpaiz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx -- Shrike-list mailing list Shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/shrike-list --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: Virtual terminals disabled (Ctrl-Alt-F1 - Ctrl-Alt-F6). From: Alejandro =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gonz=E1lez_Hern=E1ndez?= - Imoq <imoq@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: shrike list <shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Organization: Bits de Colores Date: 23 Sep 2003 12:17:41 -0500 Reply-To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx Hi. For some reason, my virtual terminals are disabled once I log in gnome. I can't use Ctrl-Alt-F1 through Ctrl-Alt-F6 to switch through them. (I can do it BEFORE login in gnome). How can I fix this situation? I wouldn't like to "user another user" or "erase .gnome directory" since I do have many settings I want to preserve. Thanks for your help. Alex. -- ¡Sé libre, usa software libre! Be free, use free software! http://www.imoqland.com/ --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 11:45:06 -0600 From: Guy Fraser <guy@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Organization: The Internet Centre To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [OT] The right HW for the each SW server Reply-To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx John Haxby wrote: > > This is far too open-ended a question to answer properly. But I can > give some general advice based on the sizing stuff we use for > Contact. I think sizing information for Contact may be available on > the web site, I don't remember. > > Anyway, for web, database, e-mail and file servers the overwhelming > need is for fast I/O. If you're dealing with less than about 100 > active users then just go to your favourite hardware emporium and buy > the cheapest machine they have there. The disk speed will be fine. > Memory will be fine (256M, I expect), CPU speed will be hopelessly > over the top. Of course, you won't get a mirrored disk for that so > you'll suffer when the disk breaks. > > After that we reckon on something like 10 spindles, 1Gb and 1 > processor per thousand users (something around there anyway). An > active user is someone who is actually logged on and busy -- our > profile is based on 20% of configured users being active. This is > fine in a coporate environment. For consumer users (who use POP for > e-mail rather than IMAP or MAPI), it's not even as much as 1%. You > need to know your workload. And you need to know how to measure > system performance and emulate that workload. What the heck? We have 7000 pop3 accounts and over 1000 domains on a Compaq Proliant with a 650MHz PIII and 256 Mb RAM, we use a compaq smart2 raid controller and 4 19GB drives as two 19GB mirrored logical drives {one for the mail spool}. The system runs at an average load of 0.40 . The server currently acts as Primary DNS, POP3, SMTP {Outbound and from cleaned MX}, and WebMail {IMAP based with folders disabled}. We handle MX delivered mail through another system to offload virus and spam filtering, then forward the "clean" mail to that server. We also have secondary DNS and SMTP {MX} servers, and multiple Web, DB and other servers. I would expect that a good rule of thumb is to not go too crazy on expensive hardware, but get good hardware for primary and critical systems. Depending on how critical the system is will be how you should determine your costs. If you can afford a 1/2 hour of downtime to replace a failed IDE drive from a mirrored system, then you don't need to spend $6000.00+ on a brand name server class machine with redundant power supplies and expensive RAID controllers with expensive SCSI drives and with hot standby failover capabilities. But if you have a mission critical 24x7 system that can never fail or loose any data, then you probably need more advanced hardware, software and support than you will get in this list. When I worked at Xerox, there were two questions that had to answer for any changes to projects or procedures: 1) What is the cost of conformance? 2) What is the cost of non-conformance? In other words, if the cost for your system is tens of thousands per year and the cost of having another system that may fail is the loss of your business, then buy the system. But if you can afford a little down time and a possibly few missed emails then the cost for the system is too high. The first thing you need to do is answer both of those questions, then you can make a qualified decision, anything else is speculation. > > Having said all that, for a few hundred users, get a Dell Poweredge > 1650 two CPUs with about 1G memory, and a megaraid controller. > You'll need a SCSI disk array and about half a dozen disks (mirrored > and striped, RAID5 doesn't have the write performance you'll need for > mail and file serving. It's a noisy machine, but it comes with > maintenance and someone who knows how to look after it. Make sure > you get an array with similar maintenance. Get a spare disk (one is > enough). Get a nice SCSI tape drive, a DLT or something to do > backups. Don't go for cheap no-name hardware, you won't be able to > get it fixed when it goes wrong. Run RedHat ES or AS (depending on > whether you want hardware failover). > > > jch > > > M. Fioretti wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> not specific to shrike, or even Red Hat for that matter, but probably >> of interest to many members of this list, and many others surely have >> the expertise to answer: >> >> In the x86 realm, what is the perfect HW architecture for a box which >> is only ONE of >> >> a web server >> a database server >> an email server >> a file server >> >> In other words, assuming money is no object, where should it go first >> to give top performances in each of the cases above, and how and why >> they differ from each other? >> >> I'm looking for answers like "for this kind of server you should buy >> first of all a CPU with at least this much of L2 cache because..." >> or "for this other server the most important thing is this kind of >> RAM, or this (set of) hard disk, because..." >> >> Any feedback or pointers to online resources is appreciated. >> Thank you in advance, >> >> Marco Fioretti >> >> > > > -- Guy Fraser Network Administrator The Internet Centre 780-450-6787 , 1-888-450-6787 There is a fine line between genius and lunacy, fear not, walk the line with pride. Not all things will end up as you wanted, but you will certainly discover things the meek and timid will miss out on. --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: RE: Fedora vs. RHL From: Craig White <craigwhite@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx Date: 23 Sep 2003 10:45:55 -0700 Reply-To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 09:49, Buck wrote: > I am too new to know about Yum and the others you mention. > > Don't try to read in or out anything. I talked to Red Hat Sales. The > man told me that RED HAT will not be offering the demo or basic up2date > service any longer. Up2date on Red Hat is only available with the > purchase of one of the three enterprise products. > > To me, it would make sense that Fedora would have an up2date even if > they charged a minimal charge, say $30-60 / year. I am sure that they > are working on updates and debugging products anyway so it would make > sense that it would cost them very little to make them available by > up2date when they will make them available anyway. > > Of course, only time will tell. ----- I may convert to Debian - depends upon how things look when all is said and done. Craig --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2003 20:49:22 -0400 From: Randy Chrismon <rchrismon@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: HP K60 Won't Print Reply-To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx Well, I've tried everything I can think of. I can't get my HP K60 to print as a locally connected printer from Redhat 9. The printer is connected to a USB port. The Redhat printer configuration app recognizes it when the app is run for the first time. Printing test pages results in items going to the printer queue. But, no matter what, nothing comes out of the printer. I _occasionally_ get a "media tray empty" message, which, of course, it isn't. But other than that, I have not clue what's wrong. I read the "Getting Started" and "Configuration" guides without luck. I read the materials from www.linuxprinting.org and followed their directions. I also dowloaded the HPOJ module, although I can't find any information about installing/configuring it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Randy --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: gpilot From: Craig White <craigwhite@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx Date: 23 Sep 2003 11:10:39 -0700 Reply-To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx Can't seem to work this through myself... Gnome & jeremy katz's evolution (1.4.3-1), gnome-pilot (2.0.9-2), gnome-conduits (2.0.9-1), etc... I cleared the addressbook from evolution and told the conduits to one time copy from palm (actually kyocera 7135) It always times out during eAddress copy. Hot Sync on Palm ends and claims connection disconnected - gnome-pilot-applet keeps running as if nothing is wrong. OK - so I moved the entire folder from my home directory and made a new / empty blank folder to sync with but the problem is still the same. This palm (kyocera) syncs fine with my Windows XP computer & palm desktop. Does KDE & kpilot work any better? Is there hope for Evolution/Gpilotd? Any suggestions? (I did change the time out option on gpilot settings from 2 to 10 and changed both serial connections down to 38400 but so far - no change in outcome) PS log in gpilotd applet shows nothing... Thanks Craig --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:15:22 -0600 To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx From: "Rodolfo J. Paiz" <rpaiz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: Fedora vs. RHL Reply-To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx At 11:45 9/23/2003, you wrote: >I may convert to Debian - depends upon how things look when all is said >and done. > >Craig And some people may convert to Fedora, and some people may convert to RHEL - depends upon how things look when all is said and done. -- Rodolfo J. Paiz rpaiz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:15:34 +0200 From: Jos Herni <herni@xxxxxxxxxx> To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: date for release of redhat 10? Reply-To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:00:04 -0500 (EST) Mike Burger <mburger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > <big red hat voice> > > When it's released. > > </big red hat voice> > > They do not preannounce release dates. Oh yes..they do: http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/ --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Buck" <RHList@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: Fedora vs. RHL Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:18:03 -0400 Reply-To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx If I remember correctly, last year when I rated the different Linuxes, I based my decision on a combination of (in no particular order): Ease of installation, availability of program and updates, availability of support by the community and availability of support by the vendor. If I remember, Debian came in first for ease of installation and Suse came in second, but Red Hat beat both of them in availability (being able to find the software on the net) and on community and vendor tech support. Suse and Debian lost their votes because it was difficult finding the product or support on the net easily. I think I'll take the time this week to rate them again. Buck -----Original Message----- From: shrike-list-admin@xxxxxxxxxx [mailto:shrike-list-admin@xxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Craig White Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 1:46 PM To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Fedora vs. RHL On Tue, 2003-09-23 at 09:49, Buck wrote: > I am too new to know about Yum and the others you mention. > > Don't try to read in or out anything. I talked to Red Hat Sales. The > man told me that RED HAT will not be offering the demo or basic > up2date service any longer. Up2date on Red Hat is only available with > the purchase of one of the three enterprise products. > > To me, it would make sense that Fedora would have an up2date even if > they charged a minimal charge, say $30-60 / year. I am sure that they > are working on updates and debugging products anyway so it would make > sense that it would cost them very little to make them available by > up2date when they will make them available anyway. > > Of course, only time will tell. ----- I may convert to Debian - depends upon how things look when all is said and done. Craig -- Shrike-list mailing list Shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/shrike-list --__--__-- Message: 11 Subject: Re: HP K60 Won't Print From: "D. D. Brierton" <darren@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx Organization: DZR Web Development Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 19:29:37 +0100 Reply-To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx On Mon, 2003-09-22 at 01:49, Randy Chrismon wrote: > Well, I've tried everything I can think of. I can't get my HP K60 to > print as a locally connected printer from Redhat 9. The printer is > connected to a USB port. The Redhat printer configuration app recognizes > it when the app is run for the first time. Printing test pages results > in items going to the printer queue. But, no matter what, nothing comes > out of the printer. I _occasionally_ get a "media tray empty" message, > which, of course, it isn't. But other than that, I have not clue what's > wrong. I read the "Getting Started" and "Configuration" guides without > luck. I read the materials from www.linuxprinting.org and followed their > directions. I also dowloaded the HPOJ module, although I can't find any > information about installing/configuring it. I had exactly the same problem with my K80. See my post to this list: https://www.redhat.com/archives/shrike-list/2003-April/msg00610.html In particular, see Tim Waugh's reply: https://www.redhat.com/archives/shrike-list/2003-April/msg00668.html which solved my problem. There is also this bugzilla entry which has more info: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=88086 Best, Darren -- ===================================================================== D. D. Brierton darren@xxxxxxxxxxx www.dzr-web.com Trying is the first step towards failure (Homer Simpson) ===================================================================== --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:50:45 -0400 From: Andre Cameron <acameron@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: Sendmail help please! Reply-To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx Help!! I have a netscape LDAP server at 10.25.1.31 I have a sendmail server at 10.25.1.164 I need my sendmail server to require authentication for relay and authenticate against the LDAP box NOT the local authentication. Has anyone done this? Does anyone have a smaple config file I could look at or an online reference? Nothing I have found on the net has helped me... aNc --__--__-- Message: 13 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:26:18 -0400 From: "Brian T. Brunner" <brian.t.brunner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx> Subject: RE: Fedora vs. RHL Reply-To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx Please do, and post the results. One consideration is the existence of entities like CheapBytes and their PinkTie distribution. Brian Brunner brian.t.brunner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (610)796-5838 >>> RHList@xxxxxxxxxxxx 09/23/03 02:18PM >>> I think I'll take the time this week to rate them again. 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Reply-To: shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Jos Herni wrote: > On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:00:04 -0500 (EST) > Mike Burger <mburger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > <big red hat voice> > > > > When it's released. > > > > </big red hat voice> > > > > They do not preannounce release dates. > > Oh yes..they do: > > http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/schedule/ The Fedora project, while hosted by Red Hat, is not a Red Hat distribution. -- Mike Burger http://www.bubbanfriends.org Visit the Dog Pound II BBS telnet://dogpound2.citadel.org or http://dogpound2.citadel.org:2000 To be notified of updates to the web site, visit http://www.bubbanfriends.org/mailman/listinfo/site-update, or send a message to: site-update-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx with a message of: subscribe --__--__-- -- Shrike-list mailing list Shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/shrike-list End of Shrike-list Digest -- Shrike-list mailing list Shrike-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/shrike-list
