Can I just cause a little stir? Get some opinions maybe. I've left the fold - I even considered the dark side for a few seconds! What am I talking about ? RH 8.0 / RH 9.0, I am now using Mandrake 9.1, because I'm a little fed up with problems like : Acrobat Realplayer Gmplayer HPOJ HPIJS WACOM wave_lan etc.................. Yes after hours of work I now have a system working, but ahhh it's a SMP running usb so the printer locks up. Oh and let me see linuxprinting.org - yes printer works perfectly - given aprox 20 hours of stress. So I tried SUSE - the same, but Mandrake, well thats different. Only thing left is wacom - but can't get it off the wife to test yet! As a server I use RH 7.3, it's good, but at the momenet I have no plans to migrate to 8 or 9. As a desktop I want the latest fancy stuff so by by RH. How about before the next release (10 or is it 11) can we get the desktop to work, instead of adding things like the redhat look and feel. My experience, just so you don't think I'm a newbie. RHCE on RH 8.0 With Linux since 1997 / 8 Unix admin since 1993 - AIX 3 - 4.3 / Solaris 2.5 - 9 / Tru64 Linux used RH 5 / 6 / 7 / 8 /9 Mandrake 9.1 SUSE 5 / 8 Please can we push RH to get this sorted? RH8/9 are in my list of worst *ix's ever! End of rant.....! Neil. # # -- Neil Marjoram <n.marjoram@xxxxxxxxx> Victoria & Albert Museum