i downloaded the beta-level reiser 4 stuff from namesys.com, and tried to patch the kernel, but the latest patches for reiser don't seem to patch cleanly against the latest 2.5.70 kernel. is anyone playing with reiser 4 on one of the latest kernels? care to give a quick summary of what it took to get it to work, before i make a total mess of my system? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Eno River Technologies Unix, Linux and Open Source training Waterloo, Ontario www.enoriver.com