Sorry about all the misunderstanding. Yeah, guess my problem is that I'm not familar with where the executables are. Meaning that I don't, if they are not in my $PATH, know how to get to them. I just know that in KDE there is an icon for what I use and I can just click on it :-/. I know I know... I'm lazy and I should spend more time learning where things actually are. True, but I don't get the opportunity to use Linux as much as I would like (work, wife, etc etc) :-P Anyway thank you all so much for your help. I guess I have some more playing around to do before I find something that works for me. Many thanks, Ryan PS What ever happened to startkde? Is that only there when someone choses to use a CLI login instead of the graphical one? Or is it a RH hack? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com -- Psyche-list mailing list Psyche-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list