It used to be -- in RH 7.2, anyway -- when something got hung up, that you could right-click on its little spot on the panel, whatever that's called, and along with choices like Maximize, Minimize, etc., you got one for Kill App. Very useful for us subtechnoids, who don't have command line kills at our finger tips. I hope very much that this is some kind of oversight, or well-meaning paternalistic wrongness ("protect the poor little user from herself"), which will be rectified in Phoebe. Any point in saying so on the phoebe list, or is it already too late for that? And if so, how do I file an RFE -- or more properly a Request For Re-Enhancement?? -- RR 'Beartooth' Neuswanger <karhunhammas (at) lserv.com> Double Retiree, Linuxer's Apprentice, Curmudgeon On Line MonkeySoft is off my back at last! This message was created on a MS-free machine. -- Psyche-list mailing list Psyche-list@redhat.com https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/psyche-list