On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 14:50 -0400, hike wrote: > Have I missed something? > > Joy Methew is flooding this mailing list with questions. > > It appears that "the list" is setting up the server for Joy Methew. > > Most of the questions appear to be textbook questions with easily found > answers. > > This question appears to answered in the error message; a file does not > exist. That is, amanda is not set up properly. > > Is this the purpose of this mailing list? I didn't think it was but if it > is, that's fine; I just want to know. (It is easy enough to add Joy Methew > to the kill list.) Everyone has questions. I know generally I am a leach on the lists I join. The experience there is often much greater than anything I can offer. The volume of questions is, in my opinion, not very concerning. What concerns me about them is their lack of self study. In my eyes a list like this one is to help you learn. It looks like Joy is out of his depth, and such people do need help. That being said I have not once responded to his threads because needing help and deserving it are different. Appealing to a random group of people on the Internet who are trying to be helpful is a great place to follow up your own research with. Joy, help can be had here, but before you ask for it please utilize the power of apropos, man, info, and google. Each of these is an indispensable tool in the world of Linux. Generally people have had the problems you have. This is true for everyone. Often they have written how the fixed them, and the best fixes/examples have a tendency to find their way into the documentation provided with the programs themselves. These sources are likely to be less hostile than the list. Not because we are bad people, but I know sometimes I can be just a rude as.... yeah where was i, but because someone already took the time to write out the answer and give it to you. I know that I have not the desire (or often the time) to write out a nice guide as to what the process of building a complex server entails. The desire to even explain any of the terms evaporates if it doesn't appear you are willing to try and meet us in the middle. Unix people are often accused of being elitist dicks who have spent years learning this and expect you to do the same. That is occasionally the case, but generally we expect you to be resourceful, this list is one of the resources, but never the first. We are not here to make you understand or force you to learn, but to help you figure out the missing pieces. Imagine this behavior in any other job. If I were a custodian and every time the tiniest thing went wrong I ran to my supervisor. The broom is in the wrong closet, the floor still has a stain on it, this trash bag is moist, this cleaner is low, the vaccuum sounds weird, and so on. You would quickly find yourself unemployed. Knowing what to take to your superiors and what not to take to them is something you need to figure out for yourself. With technology it is no different. If you are a technology professional, you are expected to work at your job - just like any other. If you are a hobbyist, then it may seem a bit much work that we are requiring of you, but the majority of people giving answers on this list are professionals. We are used to people bringing us their crap and expecting us to put a fine polish on it, but in our day jobs we cannot refuse the most ridiculous of requests from "da boss." In our free tech support we can try for a more idealized world. And in doing so teach you to deal with the crap soon coming from a friend who expects the exact same polish as put out by a team of 100 people. It makes you better at what you do, and leaves us to the more complex (and interesting) problems. Additionally it seems that English is not your first language, if the errors are giving you an issue; there is likely a translation to a language you are more comfortable with. The local man pages contain advice on how to switch to other languages. Please avail yourself of them if they can assist your understanding of what is going on. I would oppose the banning any user from the list, nothing prevents a resubscribe from another address. If the question is deemed "unworthy" the list as a whole will ignore it. That is the way that seems to involve the least overhead by the list admins. They are gracious enough to give us this forum, making work for them seems a bad call in my book. $0.02 later, Pat -- redhat-list mailing list unsubscribe mailto:redhat-list-request@xxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/redhat-list
